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I'm actually glad something is forcing the education system to think critically about change. When I enrolled in a MBA a few years ago, I was a glorified test

I'm actually glad something is forcing the education system to think critically about change. When I enrolled in a MBA a few years ago, I was a glorified test taker being monitored by some random person overseas to prevent cheating. Even then, many people in my cohort cheated on their tests and it is pretty well known that MBAs cheat more than other degrees. I dropped out a year into it after learning nothing and seeing all those test answers on websites like Chegg while noticing that majority of the schools that offer an online MBA program all used the same curriculum/tests/answers and that nobody was actually teaching. I had a dream that I might learn from a business professor of the notoriety of Clayton Christensen or similar. I got a huge reality check instead. So if ChatGPT can interpret the answer from Chegg, then it is fair game to have earned that MBA.

ghaff 4y ago
That sounds awful. Also absolutely different from my in-person experience a long time ago. Not sure to what degree a virtual experience can be made worthwhile.
thatfrenchguy 4y ago
I thought the point of the MBA is the connections you make along the way?
- majormajor 4y ago
  There are two sorts of MBAs, as I understand it: One kind ticks a box at big organizations where promotion above a certain level strictly requires it. The other kind is for high-level networking, study, and development. If you want the latter, you have a pretty small pool of schools that you're interested in.
  - mc32 4y ago
    Wharton being among that small pool, as far as I understand it.
    - majormajor 4y ago
      Certainly a compelling piece of evidence, here, to not allow the open internet or personal devices during tests designed to check how much someone has learned. Also curious to see if anyone has any luck asking ChatGPT for how to fix specific problems at their current companies, vs asking an MBA.
      - drewcoo 4y ago
        Improving curricula, expecting more of students, and forcing the humans to compete with AI that ruins the curve would only help if the goal of the MBA program were education.
      - mc32 4y ago
        I'd wonder if ChatGPT logs every answer it affords all users so that any testing institution could cross check with the Anti-Cheat ChatGPT paid service for educational and certification institutions.
        jerpint 4y ago
        That’s unlikely to be how the system works, chatGPT by design is a probabilistic model meaning it’s very unlikely it’ll spit out the same output twice. The detectors probably use a vanilla language model that just recognizes the patterns in chatGPT discourse (which is very distinct)
        mc32 4y ago
        No, I mean does the system keep a record of every reply it provides such that someone could check to find if there was a match. Obviously a naive avoidance technique would be to re-phrase an answer. That said it can produce nearly identical answers to prompts such as: write a poem about subject A in the style of poet A; now write a poem about subject A in the style of poet B. Seems to provide [at least in limited tests] nearly identical answers.
        ghaff 4y ago

ghaff 4y ago

That sounds awful. Also absolutely different from my in-person experience a long time ago. Not sure to what degree a virtual experience can be made worthwhile.

thatfrenchguy 4y ago

I thought the point of the MBA is the connections you make along the way?

majormajor 4y ago
There are two sorts of MBAs, as I understand it: One kind ticks a box at big organizations where promotion above a certain level strictly requires it. The other kind is for high-level networking, study, and development. If you want the latter, you have a pretty small pool of schools that you're interested in.
- mc32 4y ago
  Wharton being among that small pool, as far as I understand it.
  - majormajor 4y ago
    Certainly a compelling piece of evidence, here, to not allow the open internet or personal devices during tests designed to check how much someone has learned. Also curious to see if anyone has any luck asking ChatGPT for how to fix specific problems at their current companies, vs asking an MBA.
    - drewcoo 4y ago
      Improving curricula, expecting more of students, and forcing the humans to compete with AI that ruins the curve would only help if the goal of the MBA program were education.
    - mc32 4y ago
      I'd wonder if ChatGPT logs every answer it affords all users so that any testing institution could cross check with the Anti-Cheat ChatGPT paid service for educational and certification institutions.
      - jerpint 4y ago
        That’s unlikely to be how the system works, chatGPT by design is a probabilistic model meaning it’s very unlikely it’ll spit out the same output twice. The detectors probably use a vanilla language model that just recognizes the patterns in chatGPT discourse (which is very distinct)
        mc32 4y ago
        No, I mean does the system keep a record of every reply it provides such that someone could check to find if there was a match. Obviously a naive avoidance technique would be to re-phrase an answer. That said it can produce nearly identical answers to prompts such as: write a poem about subject A in the style of poet A; now write a poem about subject A in the style of poet B. Seems to provide [at least in limited tests] nearly identical answers.
      - ghaff 4y ago