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On the other hand, being constantly ostracised from public spaces isn’t great either… something I find infuriating when I travel abroad. If there were at least

On the other hand, being constantly ostracised from public spaces isn’t great either… something I find infuriating when I travel abroad. If there were at least a few smoking bars where you don’t have to go out into the cold to smoke I think that would be nice.

burnished 4y ago
Eugh, god, no. It isnt ostracism if you are being asked to go outside because you want to light something on fire. That being said you arent alone in this desire. The work around appears to be clubs with a membership fee and volunteer bartenders (at least where I live). If its something that pops up for you frequently then it might be worthwhile to pursue.
midoridensha 4y ago
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- porkbeer 4y ago
  Can we chill on the hate? Be impassioned, sure. But this 'people like you deserve' is not welcome. You arent going to convince a smoker tgeyre wrong by being a shining example of the prototypical asshole non smoker
  - vuln 4y ago
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  - midoridensha 4y ago
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    - splistud 4y ago
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    - gymbeaux 4y ago
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- korroziya 4y ago
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  - boomboomsubban 4y ago
    Being rude to uninvolved strangers isn't improving anything.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    Congrats, you just proved you're the asshole and I was right about what a piece of shit you are for forcing your cancerous chemicals on everyone around you, and then complaining when they decided you weren't welcome around them while you were lighting up.
    - bentobean 4y ago
      Can’t we all just agree that you’re both assholes?
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't break the site guidelines like this. You may not owe cancer-causing habit-holders better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
bruce511 4y ago
When all bars allowed smoking, all bars were the same. Then there came a govt ban on smoking in bars. So all bars are the same. (they all wailed loudly, but because it applied equally clientele had nowhere else to go.) As a non smoker there are now options to go out I never had before. Restaurants are now safe again. (well except for parents who think it's OK for a child to be on a phone playing games at full audio volume, but we'll save that rant for another day.)
lelanthran 4y ago
> On the other hand, being constantly ostracised from public spaces isn’t great either… something I find infuriating when I travel abroad. If there were at least a few smoking bars where you don’t have to go out into the cold to smoke I think that would be nice. I'm a smoker, and I absolutely don't want smoking allowed in public indoor places, and some outdoor public places as well. I don't smoke indoors even in my own home. On the other hand, when I duck down an empty alley and light up, I'm going to be annoyed if someone walking on the main road comes in to complain about how my second-hand smoke is going to give them cancer. Too many times I have had people go out of their way to inhale my second hand smoke, and then complain about it.
- leokennis 4y ago
  > Too many times I have had people go out of their way to inhale my second hand smoke, and then complain about it. Too many times I have had people go out of their way to walk in front of my 3 ton truck driving 100 mph in a pedestrian zone to almost get hit, and then complain about it.
  - lelanthran 4y ago
    > Too many times I have had people go out of their way to walk in front of my 3 ton truck driving 100 mph in a pedestrian zone to almost get hit, and then complain about it. Maybe you shouldn't be doing 100mph around other people.
    - leokennis 4y ago
      Sure, if you stop smoking around other people ;-)
      - lelanthran 4y ago
        > Sure, if you stop smoking around other people ;-) Maybe english is not your first language, but you did read what I wrote, right? You did read my post saying that I get annoyed at people who go up to lone smokers and then complain? You know what that means, right? It literally means "I don't smoke around other people!" I'm afraid I am unable to simplify it any further.
nkrisc 4y ago
If you’re allowed to smoke in the bar then I’m allowed to bring my bucket of rotten fish. All health issues aside, it’s just disgusting. It smells awful, it makes everything else smell awful. I always hate ending up in an elevator with a smoker, it’s nauseating. It truly is a disgusting habit.

burnished 4y ago

Eugh, god, no. It isnt ostracism if you are being asked to go outside because you want to light something on fire. That being said you arent alone in this desire. The work around appears to be clubs with a membership fee and volunteer bartenders (at least where I live). If its something that pops up for you frequently then it might be worthwhile to pursue.

midoridensha 4y ago

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porkbeer 4y ago
Can we chill on the hate? Be impassioned, sure. But this 'people like you deserve' is not welcome. You arent going to convince a smoker tgeyre wrong by being a shining example of the prototypical asshole non smoker
- vuln 4y ago
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- midoridensha 4y ago
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  - splistud 4y ago
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  - gymbeaux 4y ago
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korroziya 4y ago
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- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  Being rude to uninvolved strangers isn't improving anything.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  Congrats, you just proved you're the asshole and I was right about what a piece of shit you are for forcing your cancerous chemicals on everyone around you, and then complaining when they decided you weren't welcome around them while you were lighting up.
  - bentobean 4y ago
    Can’t we all just agree that you’re both assholes?
dang 4y ago
Please don't break the site guidelines like this. You may not owe cancer-causing habit-holders better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

bruce511 4y ago

When all bars allowed smoking, all bars were the same. Then there came a govt ban on smoking in bars. So all bars are the same. (they all wailed loudly, but because it applied equally clientele had nowhere else to go.) As a non smoker there are now options to go out I never had before. Restaurants are now safe again. (well except for parents who think it's OK for a child to be on a phone playing games at full audio volume, but we'll save that rant for another day.)

lelanthran 4y ago

> On the other hand, being constantly ostracised from public spaces isn’t great either… something I find infuriating when I travel abroad. If there were at least a few smoking bars where you don’t have to go out into the cold to smoke I think that would be nice. I'm a smoker, and I absolutely don't want smoking allowed in public indoor places, and some outdoor public places as well. I don't smoke indoors even in my own home. On the other hand, when I duck down an empty alley and light up, I'm going to be annoyed if someone walking on the main road comes in to complain about how my second-hand smoke is going to give them cancer. Too many times I have had people go out of their way to inhale my second hand smoke, and then complain about it.

leokennis 4y ago
> Too many times I have had people go out of their way to inhale my second hand smoke, and then complain about it. Too many times I have had people go out of their way to walk in front of my 3 ton truck driving 100 mph in a pedestrian zone to almost get hit, and then complain about it.
- lelanthran 4y ago
  > Too many times I have had people go out of their way to walk in front of my 3 ton truck driving 100 mph in a pedestrian zone to almost get hit, and then complain about it. Maybe you shouldn't be doing 100mph around other people.
  - leokennis 4y ago
    Sure, if you stop smoking around other people ;-)
    - lelanthran 4y ago
      > Sure, if you stop smoking around other people ;-) Maybe english is not your first language, but you did read what I wrote, right? You did read my post saying that I get annoyed at people who go up to lone smokers and then complain? You know what that means, right? It literally means "I don't smoke around other people!" I'm afraid I am unable to simplify it any further.

nkrisc 4y ago

If you’re allowed to smoke in the bar then I’m allowed to bring my bucket of rotten fish. All health issues aside, it’s just disgusting. It smells awful, it makes everything else smell awful. I always hate ending up in an elevator with a smoker, it’s nauseating. It truly is a disgusting habit.