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> don't want my food messed with If someone has the mentality that they are free to spoil your food because they won't get a (good) tip, then they don't deserv

> don't want my food messed with If someone has the mentality that they are free to spoil your food because they won't get a (good) tip, then they don't deserve to be paid at all, let alone be tipped well. There's a lot of things the US has that are extremely strange, and the tipping culture is amongst them.

djur 4y ago
You don't bribe someone because you think they deserve a bribe. That's not a bribe, it's a gift.
- deathanatos 4y ago
  And a tip isn't a bribe. Thinking tipping someone so they don't sabotage the job they are already being paid to do is, to use the article's words "getting out of hand". It is not unreasonable for me to expect that you complete the job you are paid to do, for the price we already agreed upon. Period. Tips used to be for good service, circumstances where you know that due to circumstance you're asking a little more of the staff. Many of the "pickup" order sites I have request a tip. There is literally no service, and I'm not even sure how the quality of the order will be, as I've literally not gotten it.
  - watwut 4y ago
    What op described in this thread "I tip because it is the social norm (and bribery: don't want my food messed with)" is an unambiguous bribe.
- delta_p_delta_x 4y ago
  I ought to clarify: I meant that waiters don't deserve their wages and don't deserve to work if they think that spoiling customers' food is an acceptable reaction to a low/nonexistent tip.
  - djur 4y ago
    Sure, but that's not a principle I'm willing to eat snotchos for. Paying the bribe is the rational choice, even if the vast majority of recipients would never dream of messing with your food.
midasuni 4y ago
It’s frustrating as a Brit as it is actually illegal for me to pay the bribe (pay the money to ensure my food isn’t spat in).
npteljes 4y ago
>If someone has the mentality that they are free to spoil your food because they won't get a (good) tip, then they don't deserve to be paid at all, let alone be tipped well. This is not a good follow-up for the parent's concerns. I tip for the same reason parent tips: for protection. I don't want my things to be messed with. I don't care who's in the right, I don't care what the server thinks, if it's the culture that we tip, then we tip, or potentially face the consequences of being outliers of the culture. It's not my hill to die on.

djur 4y ago

You don't bribe someone because you think they deserve a bribe. That's not a bribe, it's a gift.

deathanatos 4y ago
And a tip isn't a bribe. Thinking tipping someone so they don't sabotage the job they are already being paid to do is, to use the article's words "getting out of hand". It is not unreasonable for me to expect that you complete the job you are paid to do, for the price we already agreed upon. Period. Tips used to be for good service, circumstances where you know that due to circumstance you're asking a little more of the staff. Many of the "pickup" order sites I have request a tip. There is literally no service, and I'm not even sure how the quality of the order will be, as I've literally not gotten it.
- watwut 4y ago
  What op described in this thread "I tip because it is the social norm (and bribery: don't want my food messed with)" is an unambiguous bribe.
delta_p_delta_x 4y ago
I ought to clarify: I meant that waiters don't deserve their wages and don't deserve to work if they think that spoiling customers' food is an acceptable reaction to a low/nonexistent tip.
- djur 4y ago
  Sure, but that's not a principle I'm willing to eat snotchos for. Paying the bribe is the rational choice, even if the vast majority of recipients would never dream of messing with your food.

midasuni 4y ago

It’s frustrating as a Brit as it is actually illegal for me to pay the bribe (pay the money to ensure my food isn’t spat in).

npteljes 4y ago

>If someone has the mentality that they are free to spoil your food because they won't get a (good) tip, then they don't deserve to be paid at all, let alone be tipped well. This is not a good follow-up for the parent's concerns. I tip for the same reason parent tips: for protection. I don't want my things to be messed with. I don't care who's in the right, I don't care what the server thinks, if it's the culture that we tip, then we tip, or potentially face the consequences of being outliers of the culture. It's not my hill to die on.