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I think that might be an over simplification of the impact of a weakened magnetosphere. The magnetosphere protects the lower levels of the atmosphere from char

by htag 4y ago

I think that might be an over simplification of the impact of a weakened magnetosphere. The magnetosphere protects the lower levels of the atmosphere from charged particles from the sun and further sources. This isn't just solar flares, but a constant bombardment of energy. Without it the rest of the atmosphere will began to degrade, with specific worry about our ozone layer. Some animals such as birds are shown to relay on the magnetosphere to help navigate. Aside from the changes to ecosystems and climate, the magnetosphere is also responsible for the aurora borealis, so we would miss out on that. On the plus side, we'd finally have enough data to answer questions about what sort of radiation shielding generational spaceships would need, and exactly how much cancer prevention Earth's atmosphere is providing.

skedaddle 4y ago
Do you have an opinion on the Laschamp event? The Wikipedia article for the says the evidence for these ideas is weak in that case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laschamp_event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laschamp_event > This loss of the geomagnetic shield is claimed to have contributed to the extinction of Australian megafauna, the extinction of the Neanderthals and the appearance of cave art. However, the lack of corroborating evidence of a causal link between the Laschamp event and population bottlenecks of many megafauna species, and the relatively moderate radio-isotopic changes during the event, have cast significant doubt on the real impact of the Laschamp event on global environmental changes.
helloworld11 4y ago
If the magnetosphere disappeared tomorrow, completely, as it did on Mars at one point, it would take literally billions of years for our atmosphere to totally degrade away. It would take at least tens of millions for it to degrade appreciably. The magnetosphere of Mars failed just 500 million years after our red neighbor formed, and even after the several billion intervening years, and after having started with much less overall atmospheric bulk than Earth, Mars still has some atmosphere left (very little to be sure, but we're talking about billions of years of being bathed in solar wind and radiation). In other words, if our magnetosphere disappeared tomorrow, you likely wouldn't have to worry about major atmospheric failure for many generations of your family's lives. Caveat: Even with the atmosphere fully present, the magnetosphere does indeed stop many charged particles that a gas barrier does not, and this would definitely be an immediate problem to surface life to some extent (how much is debatable however). We'd also be much more susceptible to electronic and electrical grid damage caused by a much larger percentage of solar storms that would have previously been too weak to do much because of our giant magnetic shield..
- htag 4y ago
  Yes, our magnetosphere has had extended periods (~hundreds of years) of being in a weakened state without disrupting all life on Earth. Our empirical evidence on the size of the impact is limited, mostly due to how long ago it was. It was a big enough impact that it did leave evidence. It's not an humanity destroying event, but it is a big stressor on a world already going through a lot.
  - chasil 4y ago
    It's actually measured in thousands of years. "Other sources estimate that the time that it takes for a reversal to complete is on average around 7,000 years for the four most recent reversals." A range of 2k-12k is also in the introduction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

by htag 4y ago

skedaddle 4y ago

Do you have an opinion on the Laschamp event? The Wikipedia article for the says the evidence for these ideas is weak in that case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laschamp_event https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laschamp_event > This loss of the geomagnetic shield is claimed to have contributed to the extinction of Australian megafauna, the extinction of the Neanderthals and the appearance of cave art. However, the lack of corroborating evidence of a causal link between the Laschamp event and population bottlenecks of many megafauna species, and the relatively moderate radio-isotopic changes during the event, have cast significant doubt on the real impact of the Laschamp event on global environmental changes.

helloworld11 4y ago

If the magnetosphere disappeared tomorrow, completely, as it did on Mars at one point, it would take literally billions of years for our atmosphere to totally degrade away. It would take at least tens of millions for it to degrade appreciably. The magnetosphere of Mars failed just 500 million years after our red neighbor formed, and even after the several billion intervening years, and after having started with much less overall atmospheric bulk than Earth, Mars still has some atmosphere left (very little to be sure, but we're talking about billions of years of being bathed in solar wind and radiation). In other words, if our magnetosphere disappeared tomorrow, you likely wouldn't have to worry about major atmospheric failure for many generations of your family's lives. Caveat: Even with the atmosphere fully present, the magnetosphere does indeed stop many charged particles that a gas barrier does not, and this would definitely be an immediate problem to surface life to some extent (how much is debatable however). We'd also be much more susceptible to electronic and electrical grid damage caused by a much larger percentage of solar storms that would have previously been too weak to do much because of our giant magnetic shield..

htag 4y ago
Yes, our magnetosphere has had extended periods (~hundreds of years) of being in a weakened state without disrupting all life on Earth. Our empirical evidence on the size of the impact is limited, mostly due to how long ago it was. It was a big enough impact that it did leave evidence. It's not an humanity destroying event, but it is a big stressor on a world already going through a lot.
- chasil 4y ago
  It's actually measured in thousands of years. "Other sources estimate that the time that it takes for a reversal to complete is on average around 7,000 years for the four most recent reversals." A range of 2k-12k is also in the introduction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal