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At the state level, the rate of incarceration for black americans is about 5 times higher than for white americans. This report fully breaks it down by state an

At the state level, the rate of incarceration for black americans is about 5 times higher than for white americans. This report fully breaks it down by state and by ethnicity, and offers policy solutions: https://www.sentencingproject.org/app/uploads/2022/08/The-Color-of-Justice-Racial-and-Ethnic-Disparity-in-State-Prisons.pdf https://www.sentencingproject.org/app/uploads/2022/08/The-Co... Given that black people are not a large percentage of the population, this disparity is shocking and significant. If we deliberately choose not to point out these problems then it won't be possible to correct them at a social policy level. If we chose to focus only on "males" as the targeted demographic then we would overlook a lot of the systemic injustices and socio-economic circumstances that black males face exclusively, and which would require disproportionate attention to solve. It is neither right nor just that black men should bear such an unequal burden. Moreover, pointing out injustice done to black americans does not "dismiss the millions of non-black victims". I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. There is more than enough room in the sphere of public debate to discuss all aspects of mass incarceration. The argument you're making sounds almost exactly like "all houses matter". https://twitter.com/_dpiddy/status/1266907284178759680/photo/1 https://twitter.com/_dpiddy/status/1266907284178759680/photo...

yucky 4y ago
And whites are locked up at a shockingly higher rate than asians are. Men are locked up at shockingly higher rates than women are. So do we blame Asian supremacy or female supremacy for that? Or is it possible not all demographic groups commit crimes at the same rate?
- mrtesthah 4y ago
  What do you think is the reason that races commit crimes at different rates? Do you think that black people are inherently more criminal? You can read The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander if you truly have a good faith desire to understand the racist legacy behind mass incarceration in the US. https://newjimcrow.com/ https://newjimcrow.com/ Ultimately you need to recognize that race is a social construct, and white supremacy is a phenomenon of in-group vs out-group power dynamics. Right now the group that holds political and economic power in the US is called “white”, which is otherwise a biologically meaningless designation and more of a cultural and class based category that was invented about 100 years ago. The more similar a particular demographic group appears along the axes of skin color, class, and culture, the less racially stigmatized they’ll be, the more economic opportunities they’ll have, and the less they’ll need to resort to grey or black market activity in order to survive. There is also the long legacy of slavery, indentured servitude, and jim crow era oppression that has selectively deprived black people in the US of economic opportunities for generations. If you want to draw conclusions on aggregate statistics of the actions of human beings, then you need to be willing to educate yourself as to the social, economic, and historical factors which influence their actions.
  - yucky 4y ago
    There is an easy way to test this. Considering all of the systemic racial preferences in place, would you rather be white or black (same skills & qualifications) if you're interviewing for a job at a Fortune 500 employer? Applying to Harvard Law school? Seeking a government contract? Racial differences in performance in something is not proof of discrimination. Unless you're ready to show me how the NBA systemically excludes non-black players. It's also interesting that in this so-called system of white supremacy, that asians somehow lead in almost every metric related to income, education, crime etc.
    - mrtesthah 4y ago
      I would much rather be white in applying to any of those things. It’s a pretty obvious choice. BLACK AND WHITE: ACCESS TO CAPITAL AMONG MINORITY-OWNED STARTUPS https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28154/w28154.pdf https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28154/w281... Job Applicants With ‘Black Names’ Still Less Likely to Get Interviews https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-29/job-applicants-with-black-names-still-less-likely-to-get-the-interview https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-29/job-appli... As to your comment about asians, my last reply already explained in great detail why you can expect to see socio-economic differences in class.
      - yucky 4y ago
        Fascinating that despite the fact that DEI initiatives would give you a huge advantage you still wouldn't want to be black. I guess that says something. And FYI that names study has been debunked a number of times. They didn't test stereotypically low class white names like Wilbur, Billy Bob, Roscoe, Harlan etc. for males or Crystal, Daisy, etc. for females.
        mrtesthah 4y ago
        If you think that black people have a “huge advantage” in society then you need to educate yourself. There’s plenty of data on hiring discrimination for you: https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-americans-hasnt-declined-in-25-years https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-... I’ve literally had someone whose job it was to read resumes for their company straight up admit to me that they throw resumes with black-sounding names straight into the trash. You still didn’t respond to my comment, which spelled out very clearly the role of racial discrimination in society that you seem to interested in denying. Instead, you change the topic from criminalization to college admissions. I wonder why.

yucky 4y ago

And whites are locked up at a shockingly higher rate than asians are. Men are locked up at shockingly higher rates than women are. So do we blame Asian supremacy or female supremacy for that? Or is it possible not all demographic groups commit crimes at the same rate?

mrtesthah 4y ago
What do you think is the reason that races commit crimes at different rates? Do you think that black people are inherently more criminal? You can read The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander if you truly have a good faith desire to understand the racist legacy behind mass incarceration in the US. https://newjimcrow.com/ https://newjimcrow.com/ Ultimately you need to recognize that race is a social construct, and white supremacy is a phenomenon of in-group vs out-group power dynamics. Right now the group that holds political and economic power in the US is called “white”, which is otherwise a biologically meaningless designation and more of a cultural and class based category that was invented about 100 years ago. The more similar a particular demographic group appears along the axes of skin color, class, and culture, the less racially stigmatized they’ll be, the more economic opportunities they’ll have, and the less they’ll need to resort to grey or black market activity in order to survive. There is also the long legacy of slavery, indentured servitude, and jim crow era oppression that has selectively deprived black people in the US of economic opportunities for generations. If you want to draw conclusions on aggregate statistics of the actions of human beings, then you need to be willing to educate yourself as to the social, economic, and historical factors which influence their actions.
- yucky 4y ago
  There is an easy way to test this. Considering all of the systemic racial preferences in place, would you rather be white or black (same skills & qualifications) if you're interviewing for a job at a Fortune 500 employer? Applying to Harvard Law school? Seeking a government contract? Racial differences in performance in something is not proof of discrimination. Unless you're ready to show me how the NBA systemically excludes non-black players. It's also interesting that in this so-called system of white supremacy, that asians somehow lead in almost every metric related to income, education, crime etc.
  - mrtesthah 4y ago
    I would much rather be white in applying to any of those things. It’s a pretty obvious choice. BLACK AND WHITE: ACCESS TO CAPITAL AMONG MINORITY-OWNED STARTUPS https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28154/w28154.pdf https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28154/w281... Job Applicants With ‘Black Names’ Still Less Likely to Get Interviews https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-29/job-applicants-with-black-names-still-less-likely-to-get-the-interview https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-29/job-appli... As to your comment about asians, my last reply already explained in great detail why you can expect to see socio-economic differences in class.
    - yucky 4y ago
      Fascinating that despite the fact that DEI initiatives would give you a huge advantage you still wouldn't want to be black. I guess that says something. And FYI that names study has been debunked a number of times. They didn't test stereotypically low class white names like Wilbur, Billy Bob, Roscoe, Harlan etc. for males or Crystal, Daisy, etc. for females.
      - mrtesthah 4y ago
        If you think that black people have a “huge advantage” in society then you need to educate yourself. There’s plenty of data on hiring discrimination for you: https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-americans-hasnt-declined-in-25-years https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-... I’ve literally had someone whose job it was to read resumes for their company straight up admit to me that they throw resumes with black-sounding names straight into the trash. You still didn’t respond to my comment, which spelled out very clearly the role of racial discrimination in society that you seem to interested in denying. Instead, you change the topic from criminalization to college admissions. I wonder why.