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I think the thinking of the prior poster here is 1) it's not just you, it's your partner too. So that's two seats x # flights/yr. 2) with the extra seat miles

I think the thinking of the prior poster here is 1) it's not just you, it's your partner too. So that's two seats x # flights/yr. 2) with the extra seat miles you are occupying, airlines can sustain their existing routes/itineraries or expand them if they're at capacity. At a larger scope it can be viewed as: will the airline fly more flights with its existing fleet? Will the airline buy more aircraft to fly more flights? If yes to either, then your argument breaks down.

scarface74 4y ago
What are the chances that our scheduling a flight that was already scheduled to fly 6-9 months prior caused the airline to add another route?
- 988747 4y ago
  You know, if there are enough people like you then you can generate a lot of additional demand for flights, and an airline will actually add flights to their schedule to accommodate that. The law of supply and demand still works here. Having said that: fuck carbon footprint!
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Yes, I’m sure there are lots of people like me who are willing to throw away everything they own that won’t fit in three suitcases and travel around the US for half the year.
    - 988747 4y ago
      "I am a beautiful and unique snowflake, there aren't really any people like me" is a wrong answer here :) We are not talking about people exactly like you, we're talking about people taking a lot of unnecessary trips just for fun. Some will do that constantly, like you, some will try this for a month or two. Still those travels add up. Again, I'll take having fun over saving the planet every time, let's just stop pretending that your travels add no carbon emissions.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Do my personally taking a plane that was already flying “add to the carbon emissions” of the plane was going to fly anyway? Or should I also start a collective action to keep others from flying to reduce the number of flights overall? My refusing to ever fly is not going to stop one plane from flying.
- lxgr 4y ago
  What do you think would be the chances of a flight taking off empty, day after day, without the airline cancelling it? I fly for both business and leisure myself, but arguing that "the plane will take off with or without me on it" is beyond ridiculous.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Unless you have your own private plane, the airplane would just as much take off without you as Google would still be running servers whether you used it or not. Are you alone going to make a difference by not flying? Like that neocon anti-environmental Obama said “we aren’t going to save the planet by throwing a bottle in the recycling bin”
    - lxgr 4y ago
      Is it really that hard to understand? The airplane takes off if, on average, the sum of dollars that all ticketed passengers are willing to pay for the benefit of being on it is larger than the operational and capital cost of the airline for operating that one flight. Your contribution (in a purely causal sense, regardless of what moral statement you might read into it) to all of this is very indirect and diluted, but that does not make it zero.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        How much could you reduce your carbon footprint if you didn’t use HN? Google? Silly questions aren’t they?
        lxgr 4y ago
        Note that you're the one bringing the "carbon footprint" concept into this conversation, not me. > How much could you reduce your carbon footprint if you didn’t use HN? Google? Again, I don't really subscribe to the idea of carbon footprints, but for the sake of the argument: Insignificantly little, compared to the emissions caused by the flights I take. > Silly questions aren’t they? Absolutely.

scarface74 4y ago

What are the chances that our scheduling a flight that was already scheduled to fly 6-9 months prior caused the airline to add another route?

988747 4y ago
You know, if there are enough people like you then you can generate a lot of additional demand for flights, and an airline will actually add flights to their schedule to accommodate that. The law of supply and demand still works here. Having said that: fuck carbon footprint!
- scarface74 4y ago
  Yes, I’m sure there are lots of people like me who are willing to throw away everything they own that won’t fit in three suitcases and travel around the US for half the year.
  - 988747 4y ago
    "I am a beautiful and unique snowflake, there aren't really any people like me" is a wrong answer here :) We are not talking about people exactly like you, we're talking about people taking a lot of unnecessary trips just for fun. Some will do that constantly, like you, some will try this for a month or two. Still those travels add up. Again, I'll take having fun over saving the planet every time, let's just stop pretending that your travels add no carbon emissions.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Do my personally taking a plane that was already flying “add to the carbon emissions” of the plane was going to fly anyway? Or should I also start a collective action to keep others from flying to reduce the number of flights overall? My refusing to ever fly is not going to stop one plane from flying.
lxgr 4y ago
What do you think would be the chances of a flight taking off empty, day after day, without the airline cancelling it? I fly for both business and leisure myself, but arguing that "the plane will take off with or without me on it" is beyond ridiculous.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Unless you have your own private plane, the airplane would just as much take off without you as Google would still be running servers whether you used it or not. Are you alone going to make a difference by not flying? Like that neocon anti-environmental Obama said “we aren’t going to save the planet by throwing a bottle in the recycling bin”
  - lxgr 4y ago
    Is it really that hard to understand? The airplane takes off if, on average, the sum of dollars that all ticketed passengers are willing to pay for the benefit of being on it is larger than the operational and capital cost of the airline for operating that one flight. Your contribution (in a purely causal sense, regardless of what moral statement you might read into it) to all of this is very indirect and diluted, but that does not make it zero.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      How much could you reduce your carbon footprint if you didn’t use HN? Google? Silly questions aren’t they?
      - lxgr 4y ago
        Note that you're the one bringing the "carbon footprint" concept into this conversation, not me. > How much could you reduce your carbon footprint if you didn’t use HN? Google? Again, I don't really subscribe to the idea of carbon footprints, but for the sake of the argument: Insignificantly little, compared to the emissions caused by the flights I take. > Silly questions aren’t they? Absolutely.