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> would love to see a discussion from somebody who really likes Nix on why it isn't ready for prime time yet The daemon needs to be run as root root in a stand

> would love to see a discussion from somebody who really likes Nix on why it isn't ready for prime time yet The daemon needs to be run as root root in a standard multi-user install which rules out HPC-like envs where Nix would actually shine. There are workarounds but none of them official. Tooling and documentation are on the same level as for a random esoteric programming language. I love Nix but have been hesitant so far to push it at work despite immense productivity gains. Similarly to HPC, Nix looks like a perfect match for CI/CD pipelines on the surface. In reality the only easy way to get it done is to use additional non-foss software [1]. [1]: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/recommendations-for-introducing-a-shared-nix-store-or-cache-for-ci-cd-and-development/15248/19 https://discourse.nixos.org/t/recommendations-for-introducin...

pxc 4y ago
> The daemon needs to be run as root root in a standard multi-user install which rules out HPC-like envs where Nix would actually shine. That's an important issue! For those who haven't seen the recent work on it, check it out below. Théophane Huffschmitt is working on it here: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/5380 https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/5380 and here: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/5226 https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/5226 tracking issue: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/5208 https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/5208 NixCon 2022 talk: https://youtu.be/Gw3LtgbKouc https://youtu.be/Gw3LtgbKouc
SuperSandro2000 4y ago
> There are workarounds but none of them official. But does it need to be official? Wouldn't that at the same time bloat nix even more? Isn't it enough if core people of the community for example build https://github.com/nix-community/nix-user-chroot https://github.com/nix-community/nix-user-chroot ? > In reality the only easy way to get it done is to use additional non-foss software That is not true at all. You can use a nix docker image, a 5 line nix file and 2 commands to do a very basic CI pipeline almost anywhere.
- joshspankit 4y ago
  > But does it need to be official? When looking at the up-front time investment and long-term effects, it’s (counterintuitively) crucial that it be official. If you’re lucky unofficial things eventually end up being official and work fine, but much more often unofficial things die on the vine. If you’re really unlucky the whole branch rots and the system you built on that branch ends up isolated on the ground. Apologies for stretching the metaphor, it’s been a long day.
- 331c8c71 4y ago
  > You can use a nix docker image, a 5 line nix file and 2 commands to do a very basic CI pipeline almost anywhere. Yes, if you don't cache the build results or manage that cache very crudely. Sorry, I wasn't precise enough.

pxc 4y ago

> The daemon needs to be run as root root in a standard multi-user install which rules out HPC-like envs where Nix would actually shine. That's an important issue! For those who haven't seen the recent work on it, check it out below. Théophane Huffschmitt is working on it here: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/5380 https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/5380 and here: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/5226 https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/5226 tracking issue: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/5208 https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/5208 NixCon 2022 talk: https://youtu.be/Gw3LtgbKouc https://youtu.be/Gw3LtgbKouc

SuperSandro2000 4y ago

> There are workarounds but none of them official. But does it need to be official? Wouldn't that at the same time bloat nix even more? Isn't it enough if core people of the community for example build https://github.com/nix-community/nix-user-chroot https://github.com/nix-community/nix-user-chroot ? > In reality the only easy way to get it done is to use additional non-foss software That is not true at all. You can use a nix docker image, a 5 line nix file and 2 commands to do a very basic CI pipeline almost anywhere.

joshspankit 4y ago
> But does it need to be official? When looking at the up-front time investment and long-term effects, it’s (counterintuitively) crucial that it be official. If you’re lucky unofficial things eventually end up being official and work fine, but much more often unofficial things die on the vine. If you’re really unlucky the whole branch rots and the system you built on that branch ends up isolated on the ground. Apologies for stretching the metaphor, it’s been a long day.
331c8c71 4y ago
> You can use a nix docker image, a 5 line nix file and 2 commands to do a very basic CI pipeline almost anywhere. Yes, if you don't cache the build results or manage that cache very crudely. Sorry, I wasn't precise enough.