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Yeah it's asinine. They just want to ship people around the world like they stocking shelves....

lost_tourist 4y ago
Not really, immigration is a rather natural consequence of people moving around. Japan -heavily- limits immigration and citizenship and creates an artificial issue and then clutches their pearls at the age problem. It's kind of hilarious how they unnecessarily hang on to old societal norms about foreigners in the wake of problems like this. It's hard to feel bad for them.
- eli_gottlieb 4y ago
  Ah yes, why not just cover over their deep social problems by importing people who have no better options but to work within them?
  - TillE 4y ago
    > importing people who have no better options This is literally how America grew. Mind, you want to actually integrate people instead of running some godawful Gastarbeiter program.
    - neighbour 4y ago
      There's a reason that when most people go to Japan they are in awe of the politeness of the people, the safety felt while walking down the street, and the overall cleanliness of the place. Contrast this to your example, America (I am assuming you mean USA). While seeing rows and rows of homeless people is nothing new, today I saw a video of a homeless person slapping human faeces in the face of another homeless man. There is more to this problem than just trying to maximise growth.
    - Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
      >This is literally how America grew. Except Japan is already "grown." That aside, It's better to let the _overpopulation_ problem in Japan solve itself by letting birthrates fall than to continue the issue by importing more people. It's not normal to have cities with population densites of 6,158 persons per square kilometer. Yes, there will be an economic price, but it will be short lived (30 years) rather than something that will continue forever.
      - twelve40 4y ago
        and end up in a situation where 80% of the country is over 70 and cannot function? how is that better or short-lived?
        defrost 4y ago
        My father was born in 1935, he's 87 going on 88 and takes a turn on roster once a week to deliver meals on wheels to the old people that struggle to get by. Otherwise he potters on with his meetings on the organisational side of the local bushfire brigade and looking after his 15 km section of a 1,000 kilometre long bushwalking track that runs past not too far away .. when he's not splitting wood, fixing gates, etc. He's not altogether unusual in the area, there's a lot of still active older folk about the place. Can you expand more on how everybody over 70 cannot function?
        twelve40 4y ago
        that a great data set of 1. In Japan, men are statistically not expected to live past 81, so it's safe to say most of them are in deep decline after 70, a few years away from death. Also, officially after 65 they can stop working, so who is even going to work in the whole country??
        defrost 4y ago
        Data set of at least 2,000 within the immediate district .. read more carefully and I know the local demographics. People here 'retire' early also - those that stay active with volunter work live longer. Japan has an aging population, it's entirely possible that those that are aged and active can contribute to the care of those that require assistance.

Not really, immigration is a rather natural consequence of people moving around. Japan -heavily- limits immigration and citizenship and creates an artificial issue and then clutches their pearls at the age problem. It's kind of hilarious how they unnecessarily hang on to old societal norms about foreigners in the wake of problems like this. It's hard to feel bad for them.

eli_gottlieb 4y ago
Ah yes, why not just cover over their deep social problems by importing people who have no better options but to work within them?
- TillE 4y ago
  > importing people who have no better options This is literally how America grew. Mind, you want to actually integrate people instead of running some godawful Gastarbeiter program.
  - neighbour 4y ago
    There's a reason that when most people go to Japan they are in awe of the politeness of the people, the safety felt while walking down the street, and the overall cleanliness of the place. Contrast this to your example, America (I am assuming you mean USA). While seeing rows and rows of homeless people is nothing new, today I saw a video of a homeless person slapping human faeces in the face of another homeless man. There is more to this problem than just trying to maximise growth.
  - Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
    >This is literally how America grew. Except Japan is already "grown." That aside, It's better to let the _overpopulation_ problem in Japan solve itself by letting birthrates fall than to continue the issue by importing more people. It's not normal to have cities with population densites of 6,158 persons per square kilometer. Yes, there will be an economic price, but it will be short lived (30 years) rather than something that will continue forever.
    - twelve40 4y ago
      and end up in a situation where 80% of the country is over 70 and cannot function? how is that better or short-lived?
      - defrost 4y ago
        My father was born in 1935, he's 87 going on 88 and takes a turn on roster once a week to deliver meals on wheels to the old people that struggle to get by. Otherwise he potters on with his meetings on the organisational side of the local bushfire brigade and looking after his 15 km section of a 1,000 kilometre long bushwalking track that runs past not too far away .. when he's not splitting wood, fixing gates, etc. He's not altogether unusual in the area, there's a lot of still active older folk about the place. Can you expand more on how everybody over 70 cannot function?
        twelve40 4y ago
        that a great data set of 1. In Japan, men are statistically not expected to live past 81, so it's safe to say most of them are in deep decline after 70, a few years away from death. Also, officially after 65 they can stop working, so who is even going to work in the whole country??
        defrost 4y ago
        Data set of at least 2,000 within the immediate district .. read more carefully and I know the local demographics. People here 'retire' early also - those that stay active with volunter work live longer. Japan has an aging population, it's entirely possible that those that are aged and active can contribute to the care of those that require assistance.