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> Florida already has the worst teacher shortage in the nation This isn't new. Florida teacher shortage has existed for a long time. It's because Florida doesn

> Florida already has the worst teacher shortage in the nation This isn't new. Florida teacher shortage has existed for a long time. It's because Florida doesn't pay their teachers. This isn't likely to change anytime soon because Republicans have had a stranglehold on Florida since 1999, and they are notoriously anti-education.

joshmn 4y ago
> they are notoriously anti-education Is it anti-education, pro-poverty, or both?
- ElfinTrousers 4y ago
  Conservatism requires an underclass, so, both I guess?
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
    You're hilarious. The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes. They really got you vibing on that us v them toxicity don't they.
    - nobody9999 4y ago
      >The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes The data[0] doesn't support that claim. [0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-recipients-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-rec...
      - mikrotikker 4y ago
        That data does not dispute the claim.
        Maursault 4y ago
        FYI, your assertion is long known to be racist trope. First of all, no one, anywhere, ever, can "live" on welfare alone. It's just not possible. To live on welfare requires a job with some income. Further, if you earn less than $300K/yr, and you vote Republican, then you are voting adversely to your own economic interests and working against your own economic advancement. But if you make $300K/yr or more, then by all means...
        mikrotikker 4y ago
        A racist trope? What an absurd statement. Are you saying only 1 race uses welfare? That sounds kinda racist, but moreover it sounds like you're just trying to discourage discussion by throwing the R word around. Of course you can live on welfare alone. Many do, and in fact it can become a full time job just to stay on welfare, especially when it becomes multi-generational. Source: a partner who worked in the welfare offices and dealt with such people (of all races).
        spoils19 4y ago
        > Of course you can live on welfare alone. This isn't my experience. Many who came into asking were even on minimum-wage jobs, just trying to survive. Source: I worked in welfare offices and dealt with many people.
        mikrotikker 4y ago
        Yea I've been on welfare myself and it wasn't enough but I wasn't trying to make a job out of it and applying for all the different extra plans and what not, I was just trying to find a new job.
        Maursault 4y ago
        [0] https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/image-of-typical-welfare-recipient-linked-with-racial-stereotypes.html https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/image-of-...
kjghkjghkjgh 4y ago
Florida has a booming economy. Maybe they want to preserve that over becoming "educated" like San Francisco?
- derstander 4y ago
  What’s the definition of a booming economy? Florida’s GDP per capita is much closer to Vermont than California; the real GDP growth rate for Florida, while high, is also lower than California. [1]. Though of course with a large population the overall GDP for Florida is high. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr...
- Maursault 4y ago
  > Maybe they want to preserve that Florida would have a booming economy if the governor's office and state administration was entirely staffed with armadillos. Florida's economy and low taxes are fueled by tourism, and since tourism is unlikely to go anywhere, neither is the booming economy, which has boomed through every administration, Republican or Democrat, since the end of WWII. There is nothing the fascist Santos administration could possibly do to either hurt or help Florida's economy, no matter how deeply he indulges his narcissism.
ElfinTrousers 4y ago
It's almost as if they're looking ahead to the next generation and reckoning that educated people are less likely to vote Republican.
- kjghkjghkjgh 4y ago
  Richer people vote Republican while poorer vote Democrat [1]. Being "educated" doesn't mean what you think it means [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/exit-polls https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/exit-polls EDIT: Since I can't reply the the threads below me, "education" can't just be had in the classroom. In fact as an experienced developer almost all of my education was outside the classroom. I suspect this is the case for most fields. EDIT 2: Higher skilled "educated" people like surgeons, urologists, anesthesiologists, oncologists and orthodontists vote Republican[3] [3] http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Your own link contains an education-level chart, too, which was the topic. You're the one claiming rich and educated are the same thing, not GP.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    In addition to income, there are also correlations to race, education, gender, marital status, religion, gun ownership, etc. According to your source, support of Democrats goes up with the amount of education; from 36% of voters who never went to college, to 57% of voters who have an advanced degree. That's a bigger spread shown than the rich/poor divide that you're focused on.
  - alasdair_ 4y ago
    Older people vote Republican. Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out.
    - slowmovintarget 4y ago
cudgy 4y ago
Well Desantis raised teacher salaries in 2020 significantly: https://flgov.com/2020/06/24/governor-ron-desantis-signs-historic-teacher-pay-increases-into-law/ https://flgov.com/2020/06/24/governor-ron-desantis-signs-his... And is about to raise them more but with some possible union restrictions attached: https://www.wfla.com/news/desantis-call-for-more-teacher-pay-comes-with-a-catch-union-leader-says/ https://www.wfla.com/news/desantis-call-for-more-teacher-pay...

joshmn 4y ago

> they are notoriously anti-education Is it anti-education, pro-poverty, or both?

ElfinTrousers 4y ago
Conservatism requires an underclass, so, both I guess?
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  You're hilarious. The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes. They really got you vibing on that us v them toxicity don't they.
  - nobody9999 4y ago
    >The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes The data[0] doesn't support that claim. [0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-recipients-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-rec...
    - mikrotikker 4y ago
      That data does not dispute the claim.
      - Maursault 4y ago
        FYI, your assertion is long known to be racist trope. First of all, no one, anywhere, ever, can "live" on welfare alone. It's just not possible. To live on welfare requires a job with some income. Further, if you earn less than $300K/yr, and you vote Republican, then you are voting adversely to your own economic interests and working against your own economic advancement. But if you make $300K/yr or more, then by all means...
        mikrotikker 4y ago
        A racist trope? What an absurd statement. Are you saying only 1 race uses welfare? That sounds kinda racist, but moreover it sounds like you're just trying to discourage discussion by throwing the R word around. Of course you can live on welfare alone. Many do, and in fact it can become a full time job just to stay on welfare, especially when it becomes multi-generational. Source: a partner who worked in the welfare offices and dealt with such people (of all races).
        spoils19 4y ago
        > Of course you can live on welfare alone. This isn't my experience. Many who came into asking were even on minimum-wage jobs, just trying to survive. Source: I worked in welfare offices and dealt with many people.
        mikrotikker 4y ago
        Yea I've been on welfare myself and it wasn't enough but I wasn't trying to make a job out of it and applying for all the different extra plans and what not, I was just trying to find a new job.
        Maursault 4y ago
        [0] https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/image-of-typical-welfare-recipient-linked-with-racial-stereotypes.html https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/image-of-...

kjghkjghkjgh 4y ago

Florida has a booming economy. Maybe they want to preserve that over becoming "educated" like San Francisco?

derstander 4y ago
What’s the definition of a booming economy? Florida’s GDP per capita is much closer to Vermont than California; the real GDP growth rate for Florida, while high, is also lower than California. [1]. Though of course with a large population the overall GDP for Florida is high. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr...
Maursault 4y ago
> Maybe they want to preserve that Florida would have a booming economy if the governor's office and state administration was entirely staffed with armadillos. Florida's economy and low taxes are fueled by tourism, and since tourism is unlikely to go anywhere, neither is the booming economy, which has boomed through every administration, Republican or Democrat, since the end of WWII. There is nothing the fascist Santos administration could possibly do to either hurt or help Florida's economy, no matter how deeply he indulges his narcissism.

ElfinTrousers 4y ago

It's almost as if they're looking ahead to the next generation and reckoning that educated people are less likely to vote Republican.

kjghkjghkjgh 4y ago
Richer people vote Republican while poorer vote Democrat [1]. Being "educated" doesn't mean what you think it means [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/exit-polls https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/exit-polls EDIT: Since I can't reply the the threads below me, "education" can't just be had in the classroom. In fact as an experienced developer almost all of my education was outside the classroom. I suspect this is the case for most fields. EDIT 2: Higher skilled "educated" people like surgeons, urologists, anesthesiologists, oncologists and orthodontists vote Republican[3] [3] http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Your own link contains an education-level chart, too, which was the topic. You're the one claiming rich and educated are the same thing, not GP.
- klyrs 4y ago
  In addition to income, there are also correlations to race, education, gender, marital status, religion, gun ownership, etc. According to your source, support of Democrats goes up with the amount of education; from 36% of voters who never went to college, to 57% of voters who have an advanced degree. That's a bigger spread shown than the rich/poor divide that you're focused on.
- alasdair_ 4y ago
  Older people vote Republican. Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out.
  - slowmovintarget 4y ago

cudgy 4y ago

Well Desantis raised teacher salaries in 2020 significantly: https://flgov.com/2020/06/24/governor-ron-desantis-signs-historic-teacher-pay-increases-into-law/ https://flgov.com/2020/06/24/governor-ron-desantis-signs-his... And is about to raise them more but with some possible union restrictions attached: https://www.wfla.com/news/desantis-call-for-more-teacher-pay-comes-with-a-catch-union-leader-says/ https://www.wfla.com/news/desantis-call-for-more-teacher-pay...