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Content is expensive to produce. Disney+ is not just a streaming platform for existing Disney content, rather, Disney produce content for it. Likewise, Netflix

Content is expensive to produce. Disney+ is not just a streaming platform for existing Disney content, rather, Disney produce content for it. Likewise, Netflix spends most of its money on content, operating the actual platform is comparatively cheap.

tootie 4y ago
Yeah, D+ is churning out an enormous volume of what would be considered prestige content at other services. All the Star Wars and Marvel shows are star-studded and larded with top-tier visual effects. And some of them aren't really getting a lot of viewers from what the rumors say.
- thedrbrian 4y ago
  >All the Star Wars and Marvel shows are star-studded and larded with top-tier visual effects. I'm just going to throw this out there. What if these shows just aren't that good?
  - vnchr 4y ago
    I’d say it’s a mixed track record, and that risk of disappointment is enough to deter customets from content they might actually like.
  - JackFr 4y ago
    Also if you’re not into superheroes and Star Wars, despite it being Disney there’s not a ton there.
    - saghm 4y ago
      Even if you are, there's the chance that the glut of the content coming out causes fatigue. I used to really look forward to new Star Wars things because it didn't come out super frequently (a new trilogy of movies every few decades, a TV show here and there), but it was enjoyable. Then they started coming out with a new movie and multiple TV shows year after year, and it just wasn't good enough to justify going out of my way to consume all of it. Marvel stuff seems the same way; I'd generally go to the movies maybe once or twice a year, so when there are half a dozen of them coming out for a single franchise within a year or two, it feels more like work than entertainment to keep up with it all. At this point, I'm not sure I'll _ever_ go to see a Star Wars movie in a theater again, which is extraordinary since even 5 or 6 years ago that would have seemed ludicrous to me.
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        I knew I was done with Star Wars movies when I caught myself looking at my watch about a half hour in.
      - ben7799 4y ago
        Totally.. Disney has completely missed the fact that a big part of the pent up love of some of these franchises had to do with people having to wait their entire childhood for a new release. I went to ROTJ for my 7th birthday party. There was no more new Star Wars content till I was 22! Now there is so much you need to pay attention or you'll miss it. People get sick of drinking out of a firehose.
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      Marvel released 4 movies and 3 series in 2022. Plus a second season of an existing one and a holiday special. There were four Star Wars series. That's too much content. Two movies a year that Marvel started with was perfect. It gave you tome to unwind, and get hungry for more.
      - JackFr 4y ago
        Superhero movies are like Westerns in the fifties. It’s a just a weird genre that’s having a moment.
  - layer8 4y ago
    You don‘t need a “what if” for that. ;)
  - ska 4y ago
    > What if these shows just aren't that good? What if they aren't that good in a very calculated, lowest-common-denominator way? Any really big $$ production has to have really broad appeal to succeed. Maybe the safest way to do that is just to target some minimum threshold for ticket buying on a rainy thursday.
    - ska 4y ago
      Fwiw too late too edit but I meant that in a technical, not judgemental way - and I’m not suggesting that being popular implies not being good.
- SteveNuts 4y ago
  I mean their best bet seems to be to license it out to other companies but that would defeat the purpose of having D+ in the first place. Seems they've backed themselves into a corner
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  That's why it's so surprising imo. Disney+ has a very wide and deep catalog of pre-existing IP, and I would have imagined that most subscribers care more about that than any future original production. So it's weird to see them invest so much in new content, more so than competitors that have a much weaker, smaller catalog. Especially when the content is made exclusively for Disney+. But I'm almost certainly completely wrong, and I'm sure they have tons of data justifying their investment in new content. I guess I'm biaised since I pay for Disney+ so that my little sister can use it, and original shows weren't important to my decision to subscribe at all.
  - treis 4y ago
    Think it's a bit of a double edge sword. Disney+ is all Disney IP which is great for those that like it. But if you're not into Marvel or Star Wars or the kids catalogue there's not a lot there.
    - throwaway894345 4y ago
      Yeah, this is my family. We don't have kids, but we probably wouldn't have D+ if it didn't come bundled with our Verizon bill. I don't know how everyone else is managing, but I'm suuuuuuuper burned out on superhero and star wars movies. It really feels like Disney in particular but Hollywood more generally need to branch out more and not rely so much on stamping out franchise films--they're good for an occasional flick, but there needs to be more substance on offer (if the market doesn't already agree with me on this, I suspect they will in time).
      - jessaustin 4y ago
        ...we probably wouldn't have D+ if it didn't come bundled with our Verizon bill. This feels like it should be illegal. You're certainly paying for D+, and it's not as though Verizon competes in a free market.
        mrpippy 4y ago
        At least by US standards, cellular service is about as free a market for a utility as we have. If you need to be on Verizon's network, you could go to Visible or another MVNO. If not, there's ATT and T-Mo and all of their MVNOs as well.
- Volundr 4y ago
  TBH this more or less describes the problem at least for me. I'm like 3 Star Wars series behind. Catching up at this point feels more like a chore than entertainment. Forget Marvel.
  - warent 4y ago
    I agree with this and would add (perhaps partially and naively in the hopes of some Disney executive seeing this) that I feel very little excitement at the idea of watching any more super hero / jedi movies anymore. Somehow the branding has become severely distorted, so now these movies make me feel like the studio sees me as a barrier between them and my money. If Disney can once again make me feel like they're producing content because it's what they love to do, and because they love how we enjoy it, then I'll go back to giving them my money.
    - karmakurtisaani 4y ago
      The "Mickey Mouse shit machine" (to quote Rick and Morty) never loved to produce content. They love to make money with endless sequels.
  - aidenn0 4y ago
    That's always been an issue with shared universes. I remember trying to follow X-Men in the 90s. You couldn't just read X-men, you had to read Gambit, Wolverine, &c.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      Or even just a TV series you didn't watch at the time. For a traditional 1 hour drama on TV, that could be 7 seasons times 20 hours per year even absent any spinoffs. I'm unlikely to catch up on 140 hours of past content.
  - wnevets 4y ago
    > I'm like 3 Star Wars series behind. Catching up at this point feels more like a chore than entertainment. Here let me get you caught up. Blue laser sword is good, red laser sword is bad.
- wowonewow 4y ago
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tootie 4y ago

Yeah, D+ is churning out an enormous volume of what would be considered prestige content at other services. All the Star Wars and Marvel shows are star-studded and larded with top-tier visual effects. And some of them aren't really getting a lot of viewers from what the rumors say.

thedrbrian 4y ago
>All the Star Wars and Marvel shows are star-studded and larded with top-tier visual effects. I'm just going to throw this out there. What if these shows just aren't that good?
- vnchr 4y ago
  I’d say it’s a mixed track record, and that risk of disappointment is enough to deter customets from content they might actually like.
- JackFr 4y ago
  Also if you’re not into superheroes and Star Wars, despite it being Disney there’s not a ton there.
  - saghm 4y ago
    Even if you are, there's the chance that the glut of the content coming out causes fatigue. I used to really look forward to new Star Wars things because it didn't come out super frequently (a new trilogy of movies every few decades, a TV show here and there), but it was enjoyable. Then they started coming out with a new movie and multiple TV shows year after year, and it just wasn't good enough to justify going out of my way to consume all of it. Marvel stuff seems the same way; I'd generally go to the movies maybe once or twice a year, so when there are half a dozen of them coming out for a single franchise within a year or two, it feels more like work than entertainment to keep up with it all. At this point, I'm not sure I'll _ever_ go to see a Star Wars movie in a theater again, which is extraordinary since even 5 or 6 years ago that would have seemed ludicrous to me.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      I knew I was done with Star Wars movies when I caught myself looking at my watch about a half hour in.
    - ben7799 4y ago
      Totally.. Disney has completely missed the fact that a big part of the pent up love of some of these franchises had to do with people having to wait their entire childhood for a new release. I went to ROTJ for my 7th birthday party. There was no more new Star Wars content till I was 22! Now there is so much you need to pay attention or you'll miss it. People get sick of drinking out of a firehose.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    Marvel released 4 movies and 3 series in 2022. Plus a second season of an existing one and a holiday special. There were four Star Wars series. That's too much content. Two movies a year that Marvel started with was perfect. It gave you tome to unwind, and get hungry for more.
    - JackFr 4y ago
      Superhero movies are like Westerns in the fifties. It’s a just a weird genre that’s having a moment.
- layer8 4y ago
  You don‘t need a “what if” for that. ;)
- ska 4y ago
  > What if these shows just aren't that good? What if they aren't that good in a very calculated, lowest-common-denominator way? Any really big $$ production has to have really broad appeal to succeed. Maybe the safest way to do that is just to target some minimum threshold for ticket buying on a rainy thursday.
  - ska 4y ago
    Fwiw too late too edit but I meant that in a technical, not judgemental way - and I’m not suggesting that being popular implies not being good.
SteveNuts 4y ago
I mean their best bet seems to be to license it out to other companies but that would defeat the purpose of having D+ in the first place. Seems they've backed themselves into a corner
mardifoufs 4y ago
That's why it's so surprising imo. Disney+ has a very wide and deep catalog of pre-existing IP, and I would have imagined that most subscribers care more about that than any future original production. So it's weird to see them invest so much in new content, more so than competitors that have a much weaker, smaller catalog. Especially when the content is made exclusively for Disney+. But I'm almost certainly completely wrong, and I'm sure they have tons of data justifying their investment in new content. I guess I'm biaised since I pay for Disney+ so that my little sister can use it, and original shows weren't important to my decision to subscribe at all.
- treis 4y ago
  Think it's a bit of a double edge sword. Disney+ is all Disney IP which is great for those that like it. But if you're not into Marvel or Star Wars or the kids catalogue there's not a lot there.
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    Yeah, this is my family. We don't have kids, but we probably wouldn't have D+ if it didn't come bundled with our Verizon bill. I don't know how everyone else is managing, but I'm suuuuuuuper burned out on superhero and star wars movies. It really feels like Disney in particular but Hollywood more generally need to branch out more and not rely so much on stamping out franchise films--they're good for an occasional flick, but there needs to be more substance on offer (if the market doesn't already agree with me on this, I suspect they will in time).
    - jessaustin 4y ago
      ...we probably wouldn't have D+ if it didn't come bundled with our Verizon bill. This feels like it should be illegal. You're certainly paying for D+, and it's not as though Verizon competes in a free market.
      - mrpippy 4y ago
        At least by US standards, cellular service is about as free a market for a utility as we have. If you need to be on Verizon's network, you could go to Visible or another MVNO. If not, there's ATT and T-Mo and all of their MVNOs as well.
Volundr 4y ago
TBH this more or less describes the problem at least for me. I'm like 3 Star Wars series behind. Catching up at this point feels more like a chore than entertainment. Forget Marvel.
- warent 4y ago
  I agree with this and would add (perhaps partially and naively in the hopes of some Disney executive seeing this) that I feel very little excitement at the idea of watching any more super hero / jedi movies anymore. Somehow the branding has become severely distorted, so now these movies make me feel like the studio sees me as a barrier between them and my money. If Disney can once again make me feel like they're producing content because it's what they love to do, and because they love how we enjoy it, then I'll go back to giving them my money.
  - karmakurtisaani 4y ago
    The "Mickey Mouse shit machine" (to quote Rick and Morty) never loved to produce content. They love to make money with endless sequels.
- aidenn0 4y ago
  That's always been an issue with shared universes. I remember trying to follow X-Men in the 90s. You couldn't just read X-men, you had to read Gambit, Wolverine, &c.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Or even just a TV series you didn't watch at the time. For a traditional 1 hour drama on TV, that could be 7 seasons times 20 hours per year even absent any spinoffs. I'm unlikely to catch up on 140 hours of past content.
- wnevets 4y ago
  > I'm like 3 Star Wars series behind. Catching up at this point feels more like a chore than entertainment. Here let me get you caught up. Blue laser sword is good, red laser sword is bad.
wowonewow 4y ago
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