I would say for those long form conversations, I like listening to "interesting" people but I also like to occasionally put on what I call "shit talk". A great

I would say for those long form conversations, I like listening to "interesting" people but I also like to occasionally put on what I call "shit talk". A great example of "interesting" would be just about any guest on Lex Friedman, deep insightful conversations where you often stop to think about what the guest said. On the other side is the "shit talk" podcasts, these are great at the gym or on a long drive when you just don't want to think to hard and would prefer to laugh, for me i like JRE but I think most comedians' podcasts fall into that second category.