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> Her world view is that there's no way the government would allow anything harmful on the market. Yeah... ok... Its reasonable to expect that people in govern

> Her world view is that there's no way the government would allow anything harmful on the market. Yeah... ok... Its reasonable to expect that people in government and the nedia are doing their job to inform the public. I can't keep track of all the possible fuckups - like who here knows that Philadelphia police firebombed a house full of children in 1985 and noone was held accountable for their deaths? If that happened today in your city, maybe you would be defunding the police.

giantg2 4y ago
"Its reasonable to expect that people in government and the nedia are doing their job to inform the public." It might be rational to expect that. But as you point out with your example, it's not actually reasonable to expect that. With the track record of screw ups that there are, it's more reasonable to assume that you have to do you're own research.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  But there are only so many things you can research yourself, there are limited hours in the day. Like why should a naive person expect frying pans to be particularly suspicious and worth researching? How do you know to research issues with PTFA's, how would you know they even exist? You have to trust that the rest of society is generally functional. This is what free market extremists do not understand, if all trust is gone, society collapses
  - giantg2 4y ago
    "to be particularly suspicious and worth researching" If it's some new miracle product, like burnt on cheese not sticking to the pan, then it would be good to look into. "You have to trust that the rest of society is generally functional." And you would generally be right. In which case you should expect/accept that you might encounter products that fall outside of that general protection that put you at risk of harm. As a member of society, you also have to think for yourself and question things. If 100% of society is just following everyone else, then nobody will discover, discuss, and address harmful situations. "This is what free market extremists do not understand, if all trust is gone, society collapses" Who said all trust is gone? Why are you bringing up extremists? Let's try to stay on-topic.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      > As a member of society, you also have to think for yourself and question things. If 100% of society is just following everyone else But are you questioning 100% of everything that's around you? Do you do your own research on absolutely everything, from granola bars to plumbing of your toilet? Ofcourse not, thats impossible. So you have to prioritise, what is suspicious - maybe the financial system or why did Boeing MAX fall out of the sky. A frying pan and a toilet is not gonna be at the top of that list.

giantg2 4y ago

"Its reasonable to expect that people in government and the nedia are doing their job to inform the public." It might be rational to expect that. But as you point out with your example, it's not actually reasonable to expect that. With the track record of screw ups that there are, it's more reasonable to assume that you have to do you're own research.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
But there are only so many things you can research yourself, there are limited hours in the day. Like why should a naive person expect frying pans to be particularly suspicious and worth researching? How do you know to research issues with PTFA's, how would you know they even exist? You have to trust that the rest of society is generally functional. This is what free market extremists do not understand, if all trust is gone, society collapses
- giantg2 4y ago
  "to be particularly suspicious and worth researching" If it's some new miracle product, like burnt on cheese not sticking to the pan, then it would be good to look into. "You have to trust that the rest of society is generally functional." And you would generally be right. In which case you should expect/accept that you might encounter products that fall outside of that general protection that put you at risk of harm. As a member of society, you also have to think for yourself and question things. If 100% of society is just following everyone else, then nobody will discover, discuss, and address harmful situations. "This is what free market extremists do not understand, if all trust is gone, society collapses" Who said all trust is gone? Why are you bringing up extremists? Let's try to stay on-topic.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    > As a member of society, you also have to think for yourself and question things. If 100% of society is just following everyone else But are you questioning 100% of everything that's around you? Do you do your own research on absolutely everything, from granola bars to plumbing of your toilet? Ofcourse not, thats impossible. So you have to prioritise, what is suspicious - maybe the financial system or why did Boeing MAX fall out of the sky. A frying pan and a toilet is not gonna be at the top of that list.