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I disagree with the assertion that destroying public education is a right-wing goal. While there may be some individuals or groups with that belief, it is not a

by kleton 4y ago

I disagree with the assertion that destroying public education is a right-wing goal. While there may be some individuals or groups with that belief, it is not a universally held position among those who identify as right-wing. Additionally, making it a crime to teach is not a tactic that is being used by any mainstream political group or party. Education is an important issue that affects the future of society and should not be politicized or used for political gain.

mcv 4y ago
But they are politicising it and using it for political gain. They are making it a crime. Anyone who still votes for these people finds these things at least acceptable.
mellavora 4y ago
So perhaps you should review what many leading right-wing politicians have been saying for years about teachers, see i.e. Attacks on teachers never ‘as bad as right now’: union chief (2022) https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3621251-attacks-on-teachers-never-as-bad-as-right-now-union-chief/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3621251-attacks... Right-Wing Money Is Greasing the Anti-Teachers Union Skids (2018) \https://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2018/07/13/right-wing-money-is-greasing-the-anti-teachers-union-skids https://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2018/07/13/ri... The Right-Wing Assault on Teachers’ Unions https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/opinion-the-right-wing-assault-on-teachers-unions-wont-win-it-only-makes-us-angrier/2018/07 https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/opinion-the-right-w... or recall Scott Walker and what he did in Wisconsin. Or even look at the article currently under discussion, which makes it a FELONY for a teacher to have the "wrong" books in the classroom. How can you say that is not an attack on teachers? I challenge you to contact any person who has worked in public education for more than 5 years and get their view on the right wing. I think you'll find that there is an organized and well funded attack on US public education, which is driven by the right wing.
- TurkishPoptart 4y ago
  It's unecessarily divisive that criticism on teachers' unions is labeled "right-wing". It's also linguistically dishonest to call policy measures "attacks" and "assaults". Sometimes organizations become so detached from reality and everyday life that minor changes become necessary. But rather than engage with their detractors, the unions seem to sic the media on them.
  - Floegipoky 4y ago
    > It's also linguistically dishonest to call policy measures "attacks" and "assaults" When "policy measures" include using state violence it's dishonest to not call them "'attacks' and 'assaults'".
    - CWuestefeld 4y ago
      If you want to parse it that finely, then pretty much ALL policy is an attack. E.g.: The school board sets a budget, the result of which is that I have to pay some tax. If I don't pay that tax, they'll eventually forcibly remove me from my home. That's plainly an attack.
loudmax 4y ago
I tend to agree with you, but destroying public education does seem to be a goal of the most vocal members of the political right wing. Moderate voices are being drowned out, and increasingly excommunicated from the Republican party.
ProjectArcturis 4y ago
Did ChatGPT write this?
hedora 4y ago
OK, well here's legislation that's supported by the Heritage Foundation that would defund any school where a teacher gets a kids name wrong: https://www.heritage.org/the-given-name-act https://www.heritage.org/the-given-name-act (It claims to be about pronouns, and encouraging anti-lgbtq smears, but, if you read the bill, you'll find the reality is much worse.) There are thousands of examples like this going back decades. You used the words "right wing", but I suspect you don't know what they mean. For example, you should read up on the blocking of the equal rights amendment, which was arguably the founding moment for the right wing in the US. It would have prevented discriminatory hiring by the US government. Arguments against it included claiming it was a conspiracy between lesbians and government workers, and "you wouldn't want bathrooms to allow gays like desegregation did for blacks, right?", and lots of claims about how men would sexually assault women and children in bathrooms if it passed (the constitutional amendment had nothing to do with bathrooms). More impactfully, to this day, Prop 13 is hailed as one of the biggest wins of the right wing in California, and it is largely responsible from taking our schools from top ten in the US to bottom ten. Anyway, I'm guessing you don't support any of this nonsense based on the rest of your comment.
klyrs 4y ago
> it is not a universally held position among those who identify as right-wing Nobody said it was universal. But it is incredibly dishonest to pretend that there isn't a huge effort to destroy public education among the right wing. Libraries are under attack across the nation, and there is a major push to dissolve the separation of church and state. This movement is underway, and it's being pushed by the right wing. That is not to say that every single conservative supports it. > Additionally, making it a crime to teach is not a tactic that is being used by any mainstream political group or party. Except, did you read the article? It's a felony for teachers to have wrongthink books in their classrooms. The Ministry of Truth maintains a list of permissible books. This is a law passed by DeSantis, the most likely 2024 candidate for president. If that ain't mainstream, I don't know what is.

by kleton 4y ago

mcv 4y ago

But they are politicising it and using it for political gain. They are making it a crime. Anyone who still votes for these people finds these things at least acceptable.

mellavora 4y ago

So perhaps you should review what many leading right-wing politicians have been saying for years about teachers, see i.e. Attacks on teachers never ‘as bad as right now’: union chief (2022) https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3621251-attacks-on-teachers-never-as-bad-as-right-now-union-chief/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3621251-attacks... Right-Wing Money Is Greasing the Anti-Teachers Union Skids (2018) \https://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2018/07/13/right-wing-money-is-greasing-the-anti-teachers-union-skids https://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2018/07/13/ri... The Right-Wing Assault on Teachers’ Unions https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/opinion-the-right-wing-assault-on-teachers-unions-wont-win-it-only-makes-us-angrier/2018/07 https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/opinion-the-right-w... or recall Scott Walker and what he did in Wisconsin. Or even look at the article currently under discussion, which makes it a FELONY for a teacher to have the "wrong" books in the classroom. How can you say that is not an attack on teachers? I challenge you to contact any person who has worked in public education for more than 5 years and get their view on the right wing. I think you'll find that there is an organized and well funded attack on US public education, which is driven by the right wing.

TurkishPoptart 4y ago
It's unecessarily divisive that criticism on teachers' unions is labeled "right-wing". It's also linguistically dishonest to call policy measures "attacks" and "assaults". Sometimes organizations become so detached from reality and everyday life that minor changes become necessary. But rather than engage with their detractors, the unions seem to sic the media on them.
- Floegipoky 4y ago
  > It's also linguistically dishonest to call policy measures "attacks" and "assaults" When "policy measures" include using state violence it's dishonest to not call them "'attacks' and 'assaults'".
  - CWuestefeld 4y ago
    If you want to parse it that finely, then pretty much ALL policy is an attack. E.g.: The school board sets a budget, the result of which is that I have to pay some tax. If I don't pay that tax, they'll eventually forcibly remove me from my home. That's plainly an attack.

loudmax 4y ago

I tend to agree with you, but destroying public education does seem to be a goal of the most vocal members of the political right wing. Moderate voices are being drowned out, and increasingly excommunicated from the Republican party.

ProjectArcturis 4y ago

Did ChatGPT write this?

hedora 4y ago

OK, well here's legislation that's supported by the Heritage Foundation that would defund any school where a teacher gets a kids name wrong: https://www.heritage.org/the-given-name-act https://www.heritage.org/the-given-name-act (It claims to be about pronouns, and encouraging anti-lgbtq smears, but, if you read the bill, you'll find the reality is much worse.) There are thousands of examples like this going back decades. You used the words "right wing", but I suspect you don't know what they mean. For example, you should read up on the blocking of the equal rights amendment, which was arguably the founding moment for the right wing in the US. It would have prevented discriminatory hiring by the US government. Arguments against it included claiming it was a conspiracy between lesbians and government workers, and "you wouldn't want bathrooms to allow gays like desegregation did for blacks, right?", and lots of claims about how men would sexually assault women and children in bathrooms if it passed (the constitutional amendment had nothing to do with bathrooms). More impactfully, to this day, Prop 13 is hailed as one of the biggest wins of the right wing in California, and it is largely responsible from taking our schools from top ten in the US to bottom ten. Anyway, I'm guessing you don't support any of this nonsense based on the rest of your comment.

klyrs 4y ago

> it is not a universally held position among those who identify as right-wing Nobody said it was universal. But it is incredibly dishonest to pretend that there isn't a huge effort to destroy public education among the right wing. Libraries are under attack across the nation, and there is a major push to dissolve the separation of church and state. This movement is underway, and it's being pushed by the right wing. That is not to say that every single conservative supports it. > Additionally, making it a crime to teach is not a tactic that is being used by any mainstream political group or party. Except, did you read the article? It's a felony for teachers to have wrongthink books in their classrooms. The Ministry of Truth maintains a list of permissible books. This is a law passed by DeSantis, the most likely 2024 candidate for president. If that ain't mainstream, I don't know what is.