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Free speech is not the same as being able to tell other people’s kids anything you want while they’re attending a mandatory educational institution run in the n

Free speech is not the same as being able to tell other people’s kids anything you want while they’re attending a mandatory educational institution run in the name of the public. This law seems like an extreme reaction, but to what many people believe is already an extreme situation. See also: https://youtu.be/TwucVRj_mdc https://youtu.be/TwucVRj_mdc

PuppyTailWags 4y ago
Wait, Florida has banned private schooling and homeschooling? That seems like a much bigger problem.
- epicureanideal 4y ago
  People shouldn’t need to take their kids out of school to avoid ideological indoctrination.
  - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
    I mean, schooling children at all is ideological: it's literally built on the ideology that we should have an educated populace. I'm really confused by this statement.
    - epicureanideal 4y ago
      Indoctrinating children with views that their parents would object to is not the proper purpose of public education. The vast majority of parents are happy for their children to learn reading, writing, arithmetic, and so on. Specific political views, or that people with their skin color inherited historical evil, is something else entirely.
      - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
        I mean, I agree that public education generally doesn't intend to indoctrinate children with views that their parents would object to. For one, that'd be nearly impossible to perform in a classroom setting because 30 kids would definitely have parents from a wide variety of backgrounds so you'd have to indoctrinate each with different beliefs individualized to the parents. I think I'm missing your point here because you seem to not mind the indoctrination that is the basis of having a public education system in the first place, but you started with protesting public education's indoctrination in general, and then when you narrowed it, of course I agree with you because it's never worked that way because it'd be logistically impossible and therefore it most certainly isn't happening right now and therefore unrelated to your original protesting of indoctrination.
      - ldh0011 4y ago
        Reading, writing, arithmetic... not always science though right? I bet a good chunk of parents don't want evolution taught in schools. A smaller but significant chunk probably don't want climate change taught in environmental science either.
crooked-v 4y ago
Cool, but do you have any sources that haven't been produced by an organization well-known for repeated lies and fraud?
notfromhere 4y ago
This whole thing is basically a moral panic a la 80s Satanic Panic where people thought playing DnD led to ritual murder.
- epicureanideal 4y ago
  Except there’s actual video, pictures, tweets, etc of people participating in the activities this time, which wasn’t the case with the other moral panics.
wolrah 4y ago
When your "source" is a group that is basically the textbook definition of dishonest media, you should probably consider your entire position suspect. > This law seems like an extreme reaction, but to what many people believe is already an extreme situation. Many people believe a lot of really dumb things, that doesn't mean anyone should care about what they think or act based on it.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago

Wait, Florida has banned private schooling and homeschooling? That seems like a much bigger problem.

epicureanideal 4y ago
People shouldn’t need to take their kids out of school to avoid ideological indoctrination.
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  I mean, schooling children at all is ideological: it's literally built on the ideology that we should have an educated populace. I'm really confused by this statement.
  - epicureanideal 4y ago
    Indoctrinating children with views that their parents would object to is not the proper purpose of public education. The vast majority of parents are happy for their children to learn reading, writing, arithmetic, and so on. Specific political views, or that people with their skin color inherited historical evil, is something else entirely.
    - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
      I mean, I agree that public education generally doesn't intend to indoctrinate children with views that their parents would object to. For one, that'd be nearly impossible to perform in a classroom setting because 30 kids would definitely have parents from a wide variety of backgrounds so you'd have to indoctrinate each with different beliefs individualized to the parents. I think I'm missing your point here because you seem to not mind the indoctrination that is the basis of having a public education system in the first place, but you started with protesting public education's indoctrination in general, and then when you narrowed it, of course I agree with you because it's never worked that way because it'd be logistically impossible and therefore it most certainly isn't happening right now and therefore unrelated to your original protesting of indoctrination.
    - ldh0011 4y ago
      Reading, writing, arithmetic... not always science though right? I bet a good chunk of parents don't want evolution taught in schools. A smaller but significant chunk probably don't want climate change taught in environmental science either.

crooked-v 4y ago

Cool, but do you have any sources that haven't been produced by an organization well-known for repeated lies and fraud?

notfromhere 4y ago

This whole thing is basically a moral panic a la 80s Satanic Panic where people thought playing DnD led to ritual murder.

epicureanideal 4y ago
Except there’s actual video, pictures, tweets, etc of people participating in the activities this time, which wasn’t the case with the other moral panics.

wolrah 4y ago

When your "source" is a group that is basically the textbook definition of dishonest media, you should probably consider your entire position suspect. > This law seems like an extreme reaction, but to what many people believe is already an extreme situation. Many people believe a lot of really dumb things, that doesn't mean anyone should care about what they think or act based on it.