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> US has mostly solved our population aging problem with having fairly open immigration and high immigration numbers relative to the rest of the developed/rich

> US has mostly solved our population aging problem with having fairly open immigration and high immigration numbers relative to the rest of the developed/rich world I'm not sure about that. For starters, it's easier to immigrate to Germany or the UK than to the US, and by percentage of the population, Germany does host a higher number of immigrants. The US does accept more foreigners yearly, but it makes it a long way, if any, to stay in the country permanently.

codekansas 4y ago
A key difference is jus soli citizenship in the Americas, if you're born here you're a citizen
- steveBK123 4y ago
  Yup, we don't have permanent citizen sub-classes like Koreans in Japan who end up being neither Korean nor Japanese even multiple generations in.
eldaisfish 4y ago
Skills. The US hoovers up the world’s skilled immigrants. Germany - like much of the non-english speaking world is left with the scraps. Don’t take it from me, look at what the German government is doing with allowing foreigners to immigrate there. When a country throws open its doors the way Germany has, you must ask the question - why?
- m0llusk 4y ago
  Population crash, that's why. You can choose not to have kids but enterprises cannot choose to not have employees. People can be taught new skills.
nemo44x 4y ago
Maybe legally but we literally have millions of people that come here to work every year and are not documented. Nearly 3 million last year and although there are many refugees that are here for help, it's mainly people that want to work in everything from kitchens, the landscaping, to construction, to farming, to whatever else can make use of people that want to work hard every day at a manual job and show up.
steveBK123 4y ago
I suspect EU country vs US comparisons get thrown off as well by EU freedom of movement vs US interstate mobility. We should probably be looking at aggregate EU immigration from non-EU nations when comparing to other developed countries. Someone born in France but lives in Germany vs someone born in New York but lives in California are both similarly easy from a legal standpoint. However counting the Frenchman in Germany as an immigrant seems kind of dubious given that's kind of the point of the EU.
mardifoufs 4y ago
That's only true if you are educated and from the west. Otherwise, it's much harder to legally (or illegally) immigrate to germany. The USA is a lot more open to immigrants, and in my experience, there is more xenophobia/racism towards non-western immigrants in germany.
- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  I'm not comparing Germany to the US from a societal standpoint, but their legal immigration frameworks. For instance, the US has immigration quotas for pretty much everything, thus the backlogs that resulted in Chinese and Indian born people to wait for a decade or more to achieve their permanent residency status. The process is also extremely complex and, as a result of that, it is quite expensive, in the order of thousands of dollars.

codekansas 4y ago

A key difference is jus soli citizenship in the Americas, if you're born here you're a citizen

steveBK123 4y ago
Yup, we don't have permanent citizen sub-classes like Koreans in Japan who end up being neither Korean nor Japanese even multiple generations in.

eldaisfish 4y ago

Skills. The US hoovers up the world’s skilled immigrants. Germany - like much of the non-english speaking world is left with the scraps. Don’t take it from me, look at what the German government is doing with allowing foreigners to immigrate there. When a country throws open its doors the way Germany has, you must ask the question - why?

m0llusk 4y ago
Population crash, that's why. You can choose not to have kids but enterprises cannot choose to not have employees. People can be taught new skills.

nemo44x 4y ago

Maybe legally but we literally have millions of people that come here to work every year and are not documented. Nearly 3 million last year and although there are many refugees that are here for help, it's mainly people that want to work in everything from kitchens, the landscaping, to construction, to farming, to whatever else can make use of people that want to work hard every day at a manual job and show up.

steveBK123 4y ago

I suspect EU country vs US comparisons get thrown off as well by EU freedom of movement vs US interstate mobility. We should probably be looking at aggregate EU immigration from non-EU nations when comparing to other developed countries. Someone born in France but lives in Germany vs someone born in New York but lives in California are both similarly easy from a legal standpoint. However counting the Frenchman in Germany as an immigrant seems kind of dubious given that's kind of the point of the EU.

mardifoufs 4y ago

That's only true if you are educated and from the west. Otherwise, it's much harder to legally (or illegally) immigrate to germany. The USA is a lot more open to immigrants, and in my experience, there is more xenophobia/racism towards non-western immigrants in germany.

manuelabeledo 4y ago
I'm not comparing Germany to the US from a societal standpoint, but their legal immigration frameworks. For instance, the US has immigration quotas for pretty much everything, thus the backlogs that resulted in Chinese and Indian born people to wait for a decade or more to achieve their permanent residency status. The process is also extremely complex and, as a result of that, it is quite expensive, in the order of thousands of dollars.