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It would be great if they could publish their salary bands. If you are advertising jobs to Washington State residents, by law, need to publish salary bands. Thi

by itake 4y ago

It would be great if they could publish their salary bands. If you are advertising jobs to Washington State residents, by law, need to publish salary bands. This seems to be not compliant with our law.

andrewmutz 4y ago
In theory the website is advertising jobs to people in every labor market on earth. Since there is a huge variety of labor laws out there, I'm guessing the website violates many many laws.
- ransom1538 4y ago
  Exactly. This site shouldn't follow Cameroonian or Peruvian labor laws either.
0xfaded 4y ago
wheres the line between a job board and an aggregator? As far as I can tell this just links through to the actual job postings, which may or may not be compliant. It will be an interesting transition period. I remember job ads telling Colorado residents they need not apply, but if you emailed them I bet it would have been fine.
- boring_twenties 4y ago
  > I remember job ads telling Colorado residents they need not apply, but if you emailed them I bet it would have been fine. Dunno about that. I am currently employed in a remote role at a huge company. I can move anywhere I want in the USA, except Colorado.
  - itake 4y ago
    What specifically about Colorado is the issue? If you're already employed, I'm not sure why the law would apply to you?
    - grimjack00 4y ago
      If nobody in the company is working in Colorado, they can probably more easily justify excluding Colorado residents, and thus not have to conform to the salary posting requirements.
    - boring_twenties 4y ago
      IANAL, but I guess they believe they need to have zero Colorado employees in order to escape being liable under that state law.
- itake 4y ago
  > (3) If no wage scale or salary range exists, the employer must provide the minimum wage or salary expectation set by the employer prior to posting the position, making a position transfer, or making the promotion. https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=49.58.110 https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=49.58.110 Since aggregators aren't "job postings", I am guessing at least for WA, the website is compliant, but if you click through to the job postings, then the salary range is not published there either [0]. Should an aggregator be allowed to publish illegal job postings? [0] - https://www.remoterocketship.com/company/10up/jobs/senior-web-developer-worldwide https://www.remoterocketship.com/company/10up/jobs/senior-we...
  - 0xfaded 4y ago
    To play devil's advocate, Should residents of states where the linked job posting is non-conformant assume that the job posting is not targeted at them, otherwise the job poster would have complied? After all, the job listing said nothing about Washington state.
indymike 4y ago
This is going to start showing up in job ads: "This job is not available for people in the State of California, Washington or New York"
- itake 4y ago
  and Colorado.
- comprev 4y ago
  It's becoming more common to see footnotes in adverts like that in general. As an example, Discogs.com [0] explictly states the states where you can remote from. "This is a remote position. Open to candidates located in OR, WA, CA, CO, ID, AZ, TX, IL" [0] https://discogsinc.bamboohr.com/careers/118 https://discogsinc.bamboohr.com/careers/118
  - mbrameld 4y ago
    That probably has more to do with nexus for tax reasons than salary band advertising requirements.
    - comprev 4y ago
      Yes, that's probably the reason but also demonstrates how "limitations" on the supposed freedom of remote work have always been there.
      - indymike 4y ago
        In this case, the employer incurs cost in every state they create a nexus, and so yes, there is a limitation. My company uses a PEO that is able to employ people in every state, so we don't have this limitation, but the cost to carry an employee varies a lot from state to state... and that is before considering difference in local pay rates.
- paxys 4y ago
  And companies that do that will soon realize that cutting off the three states with the highest concentration of qualified tech workers isn't a winning strategy.
macinjosh 4y ago
Commerce on The Internet is being slowly ruined by minor fiefdoms who have strong opinions about how everyone else should behave. Like NY trying to tax out of state remote workers. What a nightmare. I live in another state with a similar law and it has negatively impacted my job and earning prospects in remote work.
Beaver117 4y ago
I've seen a footnote on some job sites that said something like "For Colorado residents the salary band is 50,000 to 999,999"

by itake 4y ago

andrewmutz 4y ago

In theory the website is advertising jobs to people in every labor market on earth. Since there is a huge variety of labor laws out there, I'm guessing the website violates many many laws.

ransom1538 4y ago
Exactly. This site shouldn't follow Cameroonian or Peruvian labor laws either.

0xfaded 4y ago

wheres the line between a job board and an aggregator? As far as I can tell this just links through to the actual job postings, which may or may not be compliant. It will be an interesting transition period. I remember job ads telling Colorado residents they need not apply, but if you emailed them I bet it would have been fine.

boring_twenties 4y ago
> I remember job ads telling Colorado residents they need not apply, but if you emailed them I bet it would have been fine. Dunno about that. I am currently employed in a remote role at a huge company. I can move anywhere I want in the USA, except Colorado.
- itake 4y ago
  What specifically about Colorado is the issue? If you're already employed, I'm not sure why the law would apply to you?
  - grimjack00 4y ago
    If nobody in the company is working in Colorado, they can probably more easily justify excluding Colorado residents, and thus not have to conform to the salary posting requirements.
  - boring_twenties 4y ago
    IANAL, but I guess they believe they need to have zero Colorado employees in order to escape being liable under that state law.
itake 4y ago
> (3) If no wage scale or salary range exists, the employer must provide the minimum wage or salary expectation set by the employer prior to posting the position, making a position transfer, or making the promotion. https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=49.58.110 https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=49.58.110 Since aggregators aren't "job postings", I am guessing at least for WA, the website is compliant, but if you click through to the job postings, then the salary range is not published there either [0]. Should an aggregator be allowed to publish illegal job postings? [0] - https://www.remoterocketship.com/company/10up/jobs/senior-web-developer-worldwide https://www.remoterocketship.com/company/10up/jobs/senior-we...
- 0xfaded 4y ago
  To play devil's advocate, Should residents of states where the linked job posting is non-conformant assume that the job posting is not targeted at them, otherwise the job poster would have complied? After all, the job listing said nothing about Washington state.

indymike 4y ago

This is going to start showing up in job ads: "This job is not available for people in the State of California, Washington or New York"

itake 4y ago
and Colorado.
comprev 4y ago
It's becoming more common to see footnotes in adverts like that in general. As an example, Discogs.com [0] explictly states the states where you can remote from. "This is a remote position. Open to candidates located in OR, WA, CA, CO, ID, AZ, TX, IL" [0] https://discogsinc.bamboohr.com/careers/118 https://discogsinc.bamboohr.com/careers/118
- mbrameld 4y ago
  That probably has more to do with nexus for tax reasons than salary band advertising requirements.
  - comprev 4y ago
    Yes, that's probably the reason but also demonstrates how "limitations" on the supposed freedom of remote work have always been there.
    - indymike 4y ago
      In this case, the employer incurs cost in every state they create a nexus, and so yes, there is a limitation. My company uses a PEO that is able to employ people in every state, so we don't have this limitation, but the cost to carry an employee varies a lot from state to state... and that is before considering difference in local pay rates.
paxys 4y ago
And companies that do that will soon realize that cutting off the three states with the highest concentration of qualified tech workers isn't a winning strategy.

macinjosh 4y ago

Commerce on The Internet is being slowly ruined by minor fiefdoms who have strong opinions about how everyone else should behave. Like NY trying to tax out of state remote workers. What a nightmare. I live in another state with a similar law and it has negatively impacted my job and earning prospects in remote work.

Beaver117 4y ago

I've seen a footnote on some job sites that said something like "For Colorado residents the salary band is 50,000 to 999,999"