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It is absolutely disgusting that DuPont knew that these chemicals are harmful and accumulative in the body. The spin they put on this is that "it is possible f

It is absolutely disgusting that DuPont knew that these chemicals are harmful and accumulative in the body. The spin they put on this is that "it is possible for these chemicals to be used safely", but the parameters for safe use are not realistic in the real world. The fine print on your frying pan or waterproofing contains legal get outs that are unrealistic. Nevermind the fact most paper straws, fast food wrappers (McDonalds) and others are lined with these chemicals. They knew. They knew they don't break down, bio-accumulate and cause health issues, but still tell the world they can be safely used. Jail them all.

flavius29663 4y ago
> Nevermind the fact most paper straws, fast food wrappers (McDonalds) and others are lined with these chemicals. I knew something was off about those paper straws...but they put PFAS in them?? It's like we're saying: copper is too damaging when mined, let's replace our water pipes with lead.
- sirsinsalot 4y ago
  The insides are PFAS lined so the straw doesn't go soggy and become unusable. Plastic doesn't seem so bad now eh?
- gruez 4y ago
  >but they put PFAS in them Not sure about paper straws specifically, it's put in paper based fast food containers as a waterproofing/greaseproofing agent.
  - sirsinsalot 4y ago
    This was done when public perception turned against polystyrene containers. Then McDonalds and many others, via packaging companies, greenwashed to paper looking containers lined with PFAS type materials. The paper degrades and leaves the sealant in the environment. Sickening really, given they know this happens. But if you can't see it happen, hey, better than polystyrene because it is easier to get away with. At least my burger box seems greener.
- chrisdhal 4y ago
  Agreed, ban those paper straws, they are terrible. I just want my good old plastic straws back.
  - arcticbull 4y ago
    Might I suggest drinking with your mouth? :)
- seiferteric 4y ago
  I don't understand why they don't have wax coated paper straws?
gruez 4y ago
>The fine print on your frying pan or waterproofing contains legal get outs that are unrealistic. What world are you living in that has "fine print" on pans? The pans I bought recently certainly doesn't have them, probably because the PFAS/PFOS risk is only there during manufacture, not usage.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > probably because the PFAS/PFOS risk is only there during manufacture, not usage That's not true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_fume_fever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_fume_fever
  - gruez 4y ago
    My wording was a bit imprecise, but it should be obvious the thread that we're talking about "PFAS/PFOS ending up in body" risk.
    - tristor 4y ago
      And that’s also not true. Cooking with Teflon or other types of non-stick cookware based on these types of chemicals will result in those chemicals contaminating your food. In particular, pre-heating non stick pans is particularly bad, as is the use of the wrong utensils which will cause physically perceptible particles of the material to end up in your food. Any non stick pan comes with a warning you can’t use it in the same house/building as pet birds. Just like canaries in a coal mine, birds are highly susceptible to things which are also dangerous to humans. Just because it doesn’t kill you dead within minutes of turning on the burner does not make it safe.
      - gruez 4y ago
        >And that’s also not true. Cooking with Teflon or other types of non-stick cookware based on these types of chemicals will result in those chemicals contaminating your food. In particular, pre-heating non stick pans is particularly bad, as is the use of the wrong utensils which will cause physically perceptible particles of the material to end up in your food. source? The guidance from the FDA contradicts your claim >Some PFAS are approved for use in the manufacture of non-stick cookware coatings. These coatings are made of molecules that are polymerized (i.e., joined together to form large molecules) and applied to the cookware through a heating process that tightly binds the polymer coating to the cookware. Studies show that this coating contains a negligible amount of PFAS capable of migrating to food. Similarly, the PFAS used in manufacturing of gaskets that come into contact with food do not pose a safety risk because they are also made of molecules that are polymerized. https://www.fda.gov/food/process-contaminants-food/questions-and-answers-pfas-food https://www.fda.gov/food/process-contaminants-food/questions...

flavius29663 4y ago

> Nevermind the fact most paper straws, fast food wrappers (McDonalds) and others are lined with these chemicals. I knew something was off about those paper straws...but they put PFAS in them?? It's like we're saying: copper is too damaging when mined, let's replace our water pipes with lead.

sirsinsalot 4y ago
The insides are PFAS lined so the straw doesn't go soggy and become unusable. Plastic doesn't seem so bad now eh?
gruez 4y ago
>but they put PFAS in them Not sure about paper straws specifically, it's put in paper based fast food containers as a waterproofing/greaseproofing agent.
- sirsinsalot 4y ago
  This was done when public perception turned against polystyrene containers. Then McDonalds and many others, via packaging companies, greenwashed to paper looking containers lined with PFAS type materials. The paper degrades and leaves the sealant in the environment. Sickening really, given they know this happens. But if you can't see it happen, hey, better than polystyrene because it is easier to get away with. At least my burger box seems greener.
chrisdhal 4y ago
Agreed, ban those paper straws, they are terrible. I just want my good old plastic straws back.
- arcticbull 4y ago
  Might I suggest drinking with your mouth? :)
seiferteric 4y ago
I don't understand why they don't have wax coated paper straws?

gruez 4y ago

>The fine print on your frying pan or waterproofing contains legal get outs that are unrealistic. What world are you living in that has "fine print" on pans? The pans I bought recently certainly doesn't have them, probably because the PFAS/PFOS risk is only there during manufacture, not usage.

ceejayoz 4y ago
> probably because the PFAS/PFOS risk is only there during manufacture, not usage That's not true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_fume_fever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_fume_fever
- gruez 4y ago
  My wording was a bit imprecise, but it should be obvious the thread that we're talking about "PFAS/PFOS ending up in body" risk.
  - tristor 4y ago
    And that’s also not true. Cooking with Teflon or other types of non-stick cookware based on these types of chemicals will result in those chemicals contaminating your food. In particular, pre-heating non stick pans is particularly bad, as is the use of the wrong utensils which will cause physically perceptible particles of the material to end up in your food. Any non stick pan comes with a warning you can’t use it in the same house/building as pet birds. Just like canaries in a coal mine, birds are highly susceptible to things which are also dangerous to humans. Just because it doesn’t kill you dead within minutes of turning on the burner does not make it safe.
    - gruez 4y ago
      >And that’s also not true. Cooking with Teflon or other types of non-stick cookware based on these types of chemicals will result in those chemicals contaminating your food. In particular, pre-heating non stick pans is particularly bad, as is the use of the wrong utensils which will cause physically perceptible particles of the material to end up in your food. source? The guidance from the FDA contradicts your claim >Some PFAS are approved for use in the manufacture of non-stick cookware coatings. These coatings are made of molecules that are polymerized (i.e., joined together to form large molecules) and applied to the cookware through a heating process that tightly binds the polymer coating to the cookware. Studies show that this coating contains a negligible amount of PFAS capable of migrating to food. Similarly, the PFAS used in manufacturing of gaskets that come into contact with food do not pose a safety risk because they are also made of molecules that are polymerized. https://www.fda.gov/food/process-contaminants-food/questions-and-answers-pfas-food https://www.fda.gov/food/process-contaminants-food/questions...