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From those tables, 39 of 52 adverse effects for Pfizer and 63 of 87 for Moderna come from this list: Acute kidney injury Acute liver injury Acute respiratory

From those tables, 39 of 52 adverse effects for Pfizer and 63 of 87 for Moderna come from this list: Acute kidney injury Acute liver injury Acute respiratory distress syndrome Coagulation disorder Myocarditis/pericarditis Other forms of acute cardiac injury - - - - - I don’t believe I misrepresented or conflated anything — but if you prefer, that list above is an injury rate of 1/1000 doses. Again, about the excess deaths we mysteriously started seeing in 2021. In fact, I find you suggesting that a side effect like diarrhea (1 in 52 and 2 in 87) is better representative to be verging on misinformation. The most common was “Other forms of acute cardiac injury” (16 of 52; 26 of 87).

maxerickson 4y ago
You conflated adverse events of serious interest with major injury and then conflated major injury with a mortality rate. I didn't try to pick representative examples of the adverse events, I pointed out blatant discrepancies with your characterization.
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  You didn’t point out any discrepancies: The data in the table is over 80% major injuries, with heart damage being the primary one — and heart problems like myocarditis have extremely high fatality rates. I pointed out that the rate of excess death not attributed to COVID is coincidentally about the rate of serious vaccine injuries — which is factually true. Whether we use 1/800 or the 1/1000 from just that subset, listed above.
  - maxerickson 4y ago
    You didn’t point out any discrepancies For that to be true, everything listed as a adverse event of serious interest would have to be a major injury. You can assert that they all are, and I can disagree.
    - zmgsabst 4y ago
      No, that’s not the case at all. For what I said to be true, we need the “serious injury rate” to be close to the excess mortality figure — which is true when restricted to the subset above, that has a 1/1000 rate. > And just coincidentally, 1/800 times the 500M doses in the US is very close to what a 10% increase in mortality (blue line) would be for two years — about 300,000 deaths a year. But I’m sure that it’s a coincidence that our non-COVID-attributed excess death matches the serious injury rate of mRNA vaccines and begins around the same period (purple line going below black line in 21Q2). You’re welcome to say what adverse event in the list above you don’t consider to be a major injury — specifically. - - - - - > You aren't innocently pointing out the odd numerical alignment, you are implying that the vaccine injuries are a likely source of the deaths. I said they’re coincidentally close; do you not believe me when I say that? Do you have an explanation for that phenomenon which isn’t coincidence?
      - maxerickson 4y ago
        Even given those criteria, you are still using the coincidental numbers to conflate major injuries with death. You aren't innocently pointing out the odd numerical alignment, you are implying that the vaccine injuries are a likely source of the deaths. What do you think "conflate" means?
  - myko 4y ago
    > The data in the table is over 80% major injuries, with heart damage being the primary one — and heart problems like myocarditis have extremely high fatality rates. What the antivax crowd keeps ignoring is that myocarditis is a rare side effect of the vaccines and usually can only be detected by a test and no actual symptoms occur, when caused by the vaccine. Myocarditis from acquiring COVID-19 though is much more common and severe.

maxerickson 4y ago

You conflated adverse events of serious interest with major injury and then conflated major injury with a mortality rate. I didn't try to pick representative examples of the adverse events, I pointed out blatant discrepancies with your characterization.

zmgsabst 4y ago
You didn’t point out any discrepancies: The data in the table is over 80% major injuries, with heart damage being the primary one — and heart problems like myocarditis have extremely high fatality rates. I pointed out that the rate of excess death not attributed to COVID is coincidentally about the rate of serious vaccine injuries — which is factually true. Whether we use 1/800 or the 1/1000 from just that subset, listed above.
- maxerickson 4y ago
  You didn’t point out any discrepancies For that to be true, everything listed as a adverse event of serious interest would have to be a major injury. You can assert that they all are, and I can disagree.
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    No, that’s not the case at all. For what I said to be true, we need the “serious injury rate” to be close to the excess mortality figure — which is true when restricted to the subset above, that has a 1/1000 rate. > And just coincidentally, 1/800 times the 500M doses in the US is very close to what a 10% increase in mortality (blue line) would be for two years — about 300,000 deaths a year. But I’m sure that it’s a coincidence that our non-COVID-attributed excess death matches the serious injury rate of mRNA vaccines and begins around the same period (purple line going below black line in 21Q2). You’re welcome to say what adverse event in the list above you don’t consider to be a major injury — specifically. - - - - - > You aren't innocently pointing out the odd numerical alignment, you are implying that the vaccine injuries are a likely source of the deaths. I said they’re coincidentally close; do you not believe me when I say that? Do you have an explanation for that phenomenon which isn’t coincidence?
    - maxerickson 4y ago
      Even given those criteria, you are still using the coincidental numbers to conflate major injuries with death. You aren't innocently pointing out the odd numerical alignment, you are implying that the vaccine injuries are a likely source of the deaths. What do you think "conflate" means?
- myko 4y ago
  > The data in the table is over 80% major injuries, with heart damage being the primary one — and heart problems like myocarditis have extremely high fatality rates. What the antivax crowd keeps ignoring is that myocarditis is a rare side effect of the vaccines and usually can only be detected by a test and no actual symptoms occur, when caused by the vaccine. Myocarditis from acquiring COVID-19 though is much more common and severe.