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He didn’t get my point. Maybe he was replying to another comment and mistakenly put it down here? It’s something about something that’s too obvious. I got a sc

He didn’t get my point. Maybe he was replying to another comment and mistakenly put it down here? It’s something about something that’s too obvious. I got a science degree man, I believe in the scientific method, but the way it’s applied sometimes: too stupid. The scientific institution is so fucking flawed. The scientific method can’t cure humanity’s faults: reproducibility crisis, confirmation bias, wrong incentives in publishing, produce papers that mostly seek to advance careers rather than advance human knowledge. You can’t handle that? That’s on you. I just think you should realize when a paper is published about something that’s too fucking obvious. You don’t need science to validate that meditation and pranayama and breath work exercises work. Another way you could say it is it’s patronizing colonial validation of “savages superstitions.” You don’t need unnecessary validation, and to the extent you endorse that you undermine the pre-existing legitimacy: suggesting that without science’s spurious stamp of approval these things don’t pass muster. Which is totally toxic bs. Also, the thing is if science is not gonna make itself capable of exploring the more subtle energies, if it’s going to actively penalize explorations of that nature, then certainly science should not be all that we rely upon. We shouldn’t penalize people who are not coming from the scientific tradition. We should trust her own experience. Our own instincts and intuition. We should listen to our hearts, and we should listen to these Indians telling us about this stuff that works for thousands of years and we should listen to ourselves because we know it works. If you don’t think you can know something until some scientist in a journal tells you it’s true even if it’s based on your own experience, I got no words for you man. You’re lost and science isn’t gonna help you get found. Fix your head first. You can’t do science coming from the wrong place for it. And that’s the fucking point. Also (Since you are fond of the Indian approach, though, may I suggest you inspect your anger?) Please don’t try to involve me in your personal delusions about me. Why do I need to inspect anything? I’m fine with however I feel about this. If you got a problem with how I feel, or with how you need to pretend I feel that’s your problem, nothing to do with me. Right? Maybe you should inspect your pomposity? Don’t tell me how I feel. Anger? I don’t have anger about this. You misunderstand. Don’t project your misunderstanding on to me OK bud? Thank you. Have a good one!

generated 4y ago
This is a thoroughly impressive response, particularly in a thread about contemplation. It's honestly a masterpiece. It may be a bit cliche, but it reminds of this Alan Watts anecdote. > That is why a person who might be enlightened (a bodhisattva) does not always present a kind of detached and indifferent attitude but is perfectly free to allow emotions and attachments. Why R.H. Blyth, who was a great Zen man, wrote me once and said 'How are you these days? As for me, I have abandoned satori (enlightenment) altogether and I'm trying to become as deeply attached as I can to as many people and things as possible.'
- graderjs 4y ago
  Thank you. That’s very kind of you. I really appreciate that truly. You didn’t have to say that but I think sometimes when people go out of their way to say or do something nice maybe they don’t understand how much it can positively affect someone. And I just want to let you know this really made my day and it will leave a lasting positive impression on me that I’ll always remember. Thank you so much that’s really wonderful. Just wanted to make sure you know that you’re kindness is so meaningful to me. Thank you.
Sakos 4y ago
I find it hard to believe that you have any interest in science with this comment. I like seeing studies like this that try to scientifically prove/show the benefits of techniques like cyclical breathing. It may be obvious to some, but I don't think it's obvious to everybody. The Indians might have discovered it and done it for thousands of years, but we don't do it. I'm not going to do something just because Native Indians did it, I'd like to see some indication that it actually works beyond anecdotes from other people. People can fool themselves into all kinds of things. And yes, I also looked into studies about the benefits of meditation before I ever started practicing meditation. I don't' feel like any of that was wasted and I'm glad I did.
- graderjs 4y ago
  Oh I meant Indians from India, not native Americans. I wouldn’t call them Indians. Right? I like seeing studies like this that try to scientifically prove/show the benefit… I’m not attacking you or saying don’t read studies or that’s somehow not good for you. Tho I get how it could seem that way. The world can contain both things: your like of this and my criticism of the scientific establishment and public attitudes towards science. Neither are exclusionary of the other, so I understand if you reacted like they were. But I’m was not criticizing you there. I’m criticizing the science establishment, and the idea that scientific endorsement is a sole arbiter of truth of the world which is absolute bullshit. I find it hard to believe that you have any interest in science with this comment. I don’t know…I think if you don’t think I have any interest in science then you don’t know me at all. But also, I think it’s a bit counterfactual of you: because why would someone who had no interest in science spend time studying it and then thinking about it enough to criticize its flaws … unless they valued what they thought it should actually stand for (and we’re obviously interested in that)? So I think instead it’s you trying to frame your disdainful contempt for who you mis-imagine I am, I somehow valid by clicking it in the pretense, that you must know more than me. But really, I think you’re comment is a bit of an overcompensating snooty elitist dismissal for you to wanna try to pretend to look down on me as like some uneducated savage because I don’t happen to reflect your (worshiping? unquestioning?) attitude toward science. So if I don’t show your view, your only response is to somehow pretend I’m bad or less than you? That’s pretty pathetic not scientific. I’m not saying worshiping and and unquestioning is how you see science, but if you did, I would say that is not very scientific of you. Do you have a science degree?

generated 4y ago

This is a thoroughly impressive response, particularly in a thread about contemplation. It's honestly a masterpiece. It may be a bit cliche, but it reminds of this Alan Watts anecdote. > That is why a person who might be enlightened (a bodhisattva) does not always present a kind of detached and indifferent attitude but is perfectly free to allow emotions and attachments. Why R.H. Blyth, who was a great Zen man, wrote me once and said 'How are you these days? As for me, I have abandoned satori (enlightenment) altogether and I'm trying to become as deeply attached as I can to as many people and things as possible.'

graderjs 4y ago
Thank you. That’s very kind of you. I really appreciate that truly. You didn’t have to say that but I think sometimes when people go out of their way to say or do something nice maybe they don’t understand how much it can positively affect someone. And I just want to let you know this really made my day and it will leave a lasting positive impression on me that I’ll always remember. Thank you so much that’s really wonderful. Just wanted to make sure you know that you’re kindness is so meaningful to me. Thank you.

Sakos 4y ago

I find it hard to believe that you have any interest in science with this comment. I like seeing studies like this that try to scientifically prove/show the benefits of techniques like cyclical breathing. It may be obvious to some, but I don't think it's obvious to everybody. The Indians might have discovered it and done it for thousands of years, but we don't do it. I'm not going to do something just because Native Indians did it, I'd like to see some indication that it actually works beyond anecdotes from other people. People can fool themselves into all kinds of things. And yes, I also looked into studies about the benefits of meditation before I ever started practicing meditation. I don't' feel like any of that was wasted and I'm glad I did.

graderjs 4y ago
Oh I meant Indians from India, not native Americans. I wouldn’t call them Indians. Right? I like seeing studies like this that try to scientifically prove/show the benefit… I’m not attacking you or saying don’t read studies or that’s somehow not good for you. Tho I get how it could seem that way. The world can contain both things: your like of this and my criticism of the scientific establishment and public attitudes towards science. Neither are exclusionary of the other, so I understand if you reacted like they were. But I’m was not criticizing you there. I’m criticizing the science establishment, and the idea that scientific endorsement is a sole arbiter of truth of the world which is absolute bullshit. I find it hard to believe that you have any interest in science with this comment. I don’t know…I think if you don’t think I have any interest in science then you don’t know me at all. But also, I think it’s a bit counterfactual of you: because why would someone who had no interest in science spend time studying it and then thinking about it enough to criticize its flaws … unless they valued what they thought it should actually stand for (and we’re obviously interested in that)? So I think instead it’s you trying to frame your disdainful contempt for who you mis-imagine I am, I somehow valid by clicking it in the pretense, that you must know more than me. But really, I think you’re comment is a bit of an overcompensating snooty elitist dismissal for you to wanna try to pretend to look down on me as like some uneducated savage because I don’t happen to reflect your (worshiping? unquestioning?) attitude toward science. So if I don’t show your view, your only response is to somehow pretend I’m bad or less than you? That’s pretty pathetic not scientific. I’m not saying worshiping and and unquestioning is how you see science, but if you did, I would say that is not very scientific of you. Do you have a science degree?