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You seem to assume that the government is efficient and incorruptible. I have not seen evidence that is the case.

jackson1442 4y ago
You can see a great example of this actually working in Seattle's Pike Place Market, they're governed by an NGO established by a public vote.
Larrikin 4y ago
Governments in many countries provide good services to their citizens. The US has one party that just tries to dismantle and make government programs worse on purpose so they can personally pay less taxes.
woodruffw 4y ago
The government doesn't need to be particularly efficient or incorruptible to provide a covered marketplace. It's basically touchless.
- gernb 4y ago
  What does "touchless" mean? Who cleans the place up each day? Who maintains the building? (cleaning the toilets, fixing broken doors and windows, and other general maintenance) Who decides which iof the 95 people who want a booth get one of the 20 available spaces? Who polices that the items sold are safe? etc.. etc..
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    This is a weird list of FUD for the kind of basic public amenity that even borderline failed states manage to provide. If this was a missile base or a oil refinery, maybe there'd be something to consider here. But we're talking about one of the oldest forms of public marketplace; plenty of marketplaces don't even have toilets or windows. My local one doesn't.
wpietri 4y ago
Been to a farmer's market? At least around here, a lot of them are run by local governments. E.g.: https://www.mountainview.gov/depts/cs/events/farmers.asp https://www.mountainview.gov/depts/cs/events/farmers.asp
- gernb 4y ago
  How is that evidence it's efficient and incorruptible? for one, there's a limited number of stalls. It certainly wouldn't be shocking if whoever bribed the government coordinator the most got one of the stalls or if people the coordinators closest friends got priority access to the stalls etc... I don't know the ideal solution. It might be more fair if there was a raffle for stalls each week. Instead we see the same people in the same stalls. Curious how a new farmer gets in to the market. Do they offer more money than someone already there?
  - wpietri 4y ago
    Are you trying to claim that farmers' markets are terrible dens of iniquity? If so, please provide data.
    - gernb 4y ago
      No, I'm only trying to claim that a government run farmers market is not incorruptible nor likely would it be any more fair. Interestingly the link above is not to a government run farmers market. It's to a a government site that then links to a non-government, non-profit organization. So that farmers market is not government run
      - wpietri 4y ago
        Thank goodness you have so energetically attacked the straw man that there is some kind of organization that is incorruptible. We are all richer for it.

You can see a great example of this actually working in Seattle's Pike Place Market, they're governed by an NGO established by a public vote.

Larrikin 4y ago

Governments in many countries provide good services to their citizens. The US has one party that just tries to dismantle and make government programs worse on purpose so they can personally pay less taxes.

woodruffw 4y ago

The government doesn't need to be particularly efficient or incorruptible to provide a covered marketplace. It's basically touchless.

gernb 4y ago
What does "touchless" mean? Who cleans the place up each day? Who maintains the building? (cleaning the toilets, fixing broken doors and windows, and other general maintenance) Who decides which iof the 95 people who want a booth get one of the 20 available spaces? Who polices that the items sold are safe? etc.. etc..
- woodruffw 4y ago
  This is a weird list of FUD for the kind of basic public amenity that even borderline failed states manage to provide. If this was a missile base or a oil refinery, maybe there'd be something to consider here. But we're talking about one of the oldest forms of public marketplace; plenty of marketplaces don't even have toilets or windows. My local one doesn't.

wpietri 4y ago

Been to a farmer's market? At least around here, a lot of them are run by local governments. E.g.: https://www.mountainview.gov/depts/cs/events/farmers.asp https://www.mountainview.gov/depts/cs/events/farmers.asp

gernb 4y ago
How is that evidence it's efficient and incorruptible? for one, there's a limited number of stalls. It certainly wouldn't be shocking if whoever bribed the government coordinator the most got one of the stalls or if people the coordinators closest friends got priority access to the stalls etc... I don't know the ideal solution. It might be more fair if there was a raffle for stalls each week. Instead we see the same people in the same stalls. Curious how a new farmer gets in to the market. Do they offer more money than someone already there?
- wpietri 4y ago
  Are you trying to claim that farmers' markets are terrible dens of iniquity? If so, please provide data.
  - gernb 4y ago
    No, I'm only trying to claim that a government run farmers market is not incorruptible nor likely would it be any more fair. Interestingly the link above is not to a government run farmers market. It's to a a government site that then links to a non-government, non-profit organization. So that farmers market is not government run
    - wpietri 4y ago
      Thank goodness you have so energetically attacked the straw man that there is some kind of organization that is incorruptible. We are all richer for it.