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Only if you are a criminal. Don't point a gun at a cop and you won't get killed by one. If you don't break laws or speed you will not actually interact with cop

Only if you are a criminal. Don't point a gun at a cop and you won't get killed by one. If you don't break laws or speed you will not actually interact with cops in the US. I'm 45 and the only times I have ever interacted with police is when I got pulled over for speeding, or something wrong with my car.

blondin 4y ago
the very first time i am going to bring race in a hn comment. you are not black or a minority, are you? systemic targeting is a thing. exarcerbated by media portrayal. it is a real mess that affects real people.
- HyperSane 4y ago
  If you are trying to argue that a person's behavior has no effect on how likely they are to be killed by a cop then you are just completely wrong.
  - ryandrake 4y ago
    Without putting words in their mouth, I think they are arguing that in the US, one’s skin color plays a larger role than their behavior, when it comes to whether their interaction with the police results in brutality or not. While they are both factors, one is a stronger predictor than the other. If I’m pulled over while being white and I cooperate, I’m probably getting the ticket and going on my way. Worst case the cop is having a bad day and wants to escalate, they arrest me for something. If I’m black, worst case I’m going to the morgue. Average case is going to be worse if I’m black, all other things (including my attitude) being equal.
    - HyperSane 4y ago
      "one’s skin color plays a larger role than their behavior" When it comes to actually getting killed by cops I don't think this is true. The vast majority of people killed by cops are doing something very foolish like pointing a gun at them or rushing them with a knife.
      - ryan_lane 4y ago
        Please do a few google searches on this topic so that you can change your worldview. I know it's tough to challenge your core beliefs, but part of intellectual curiosity is also personal growth, especially around topics that you have an emotional attachment to.
        jazzyk 4y ago
        I actually did, a few months ago. In my state, out of the 10 non gun-carrying people killed by the cops in the past 10 years, 2-3 were Black, 5 were White, the rest Hispanic and 1 Asian (matching the racial makeup of US). So the statement by the poster above holds - if you don't point a gun at a cop (figuratively), your chance of surviving contact with police if you are Black are no lower than other races.
        HyperSane 4y ago
        What exactly are you trying to say, that the majority of US cops are eager to randomly kill black people for no reason?
noodleman 4y ago
This is horribly reductive. Put aside the sample size of one for a moment. The fact you've only dealt with the police when genuinely committing crimes, and their response was proportional to the crime, is most likely down to your skin colour.
- HyperSane 4y ago
  > and their response was proportional to the crime, is most likely down to your skin colour. And also due to the fact I was calm, reasonable, cooperative, and didn't point a gun at them. If you are trying to argue that a person's behavior has no effect on how likely they are to be killed by a cop then you are just completely wrong.
  - zaccusl 4y ago
    Do you mean like the way Philando Castile was calm, reasonable, and cooperative while being executed after being stopped for a break light issue? What about Charles Kinsey who was as cool and compliant and non-threatening as possible, What about Donovan Lewis? Is it reasonable to execute a sleeping man? What about Erik Cantu? I guess eating a hamburger in a parking lot is a capital offense? BTW, the number of cases like the few I mentioned are FAR too numerous to even keep track of. If you think that a persons skin color has no effect on how likely they are to be killed by a cop then you are just completely wrong.
    - HyperSane 4y ago
      Those are 4 people out of many thousands that have been killed by police in the US, they are hardly representative. A persons actions have hundreds of times more impact on how likely they are to be killed by a cop than his race.

blondin 4y ago

the very first time i am going to bring race in a hn comment. you are not black or a minority, are you? systemic targeting is a thing. exarcerbated by media portrayal. it is a real mess that affects real people.

HyperSane 4y ago
If you are trying to argue that a person's behavior has no effect on how likely they are to be killed by a cop then you are just completely wrong.
- ryandrake 4y ago
  Without putting words in their mouth, I think they are arguing that in the US, one’s skin color plays a larger role than their behavior, when it comes to whether their interaction with the police results in brutality or not. While they are both factors, one is a stronger predictor than the other. If I’m pulled over while being white and I cooperate, I’m probably getting the ticket and going on my way. Worst case the cop is having a bad day and wants to escalate, they arrest me for something. If I’m black, worst case I’m going to the morgue. Average case is going to be worse if I’m black, all other things (including my attitude) being equal.
  - HyperSane 4y ago
    "one’s skin color plays a larger role than their behavior" When it comes to actually getting killed by cops I don't think this is true. The vast majority of people killed by cops are doing something very foolish like pointing a gun at them or rushing them with a knife.
    - ryan_lane 4y ago
      Please do a few google searches on this topic so that you can change your worldview. I know it's tough to challenge your core beliefs, but part of intellectual curiosity is also personal growth, especially around topics that you have an emotional attachment to.
      - jazzyk 4y ago
        I actually did, a few months ago. In my state, out of the 10 non gun-carrying people killed by the cops in the past 10 years, 2-3 were Black, 5 were White, the rest Hispanic and 1 Asian (matching the racial makeup of US). So the statement by the poster above holds - if you don't point a gun at a cop (figuratively), your chance of surviving contact with police if you are Black are no lower than other races.
      - HyperSane 4y ago
        What exactly are you trying to say, that the majority of US cops are eager to randomly kill black people for no reason?

noodleman 4y ago

This is horribly reductive. Put aside the sample size of one for a moment. The fact you've only dealt with the police when genuinely committing crimes, and their response was proportional to the crime, is most likely down to your skin colour.

HyperSane 4y ago
> and their response was proportional to the crime, is most likely down to your skin colour. And also due to the fact I was calm, reasonable, cooperative, and didn't point a gun at them. If you are trying to argue that a person's behavior has no effect on how likely they are to be killed by a cop then you are just completely wrong.
- zaccusl 4y ago
  Do you mean like the way Philando Castile was calm, reasonable, and cooperative while being executed after being stopped for a break light issue? What about Charles Kinsey who was as cool and compliant and non-threatening as possible, What about Donovan Lewis? Is it reasonable to execute a sleeping man? What about Erik Cantu? I guess eating a hamburger in a parking lot is a capital offense? BTW, the number of cases like the few I mentioned are FAR too numerous to even keep track of. If you think that a persons skin color has no effect on how likely they are to be killed by a cop then you are just completely wrong.
  - HyperSane 4y ago
    Those are 4 people out of many thousands that have been killed by police in the US, they are hardly representative. A persons actions have hundreds of times more impact on how likely they are to be killed by a cop than his race.