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It is likely covid-19 related, yes. Not vaccine related, which I think you may be implying. Excess deaths have been climbing since covid kicked off: https://ou

by myko 4y ago

It is likely covid-19 related, yes. Not vaccine related, which I think you may be implying. Excess deaths have been climbing since covid kicked off: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid; we're not doing a good job determining the effects of long covid.

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
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- myko 4y ago
  The vaccine technology used was studied for 20+ years. Billions of doses have been administered. They're safe. This antivax nonsense should be banned from the site. Just read your own article: "Any link to Covid vaccines has been ruled out on the basis of international evidence demonstrating their safety in pregnancy, but PHS confirmed that it had not checked the vaccination status of any of the mothers affected. ... Since April 2022, the neonatal mortality rate has been falling and - between May 2022 and October 2022, the most recent month for which data is available - has been consistently lower than expected when compared against the pre-pandemic averages." The children in the article were too young to be vaccinated. The more likely explanation is either the kids got covid, or received subpar care due to staffing shortages caused by covid. Please stop spreading antivax sentiment.
notthevax 4y ago
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zmgsabst 4y ago
Factually, the majority of excess death is no longer COVID-attributed. We’re either missing another modality by which COVID kills — or there’s another cause. That’s according to the OECD mortality figures. https://zmichaelgehlke.com/images/covid-mortality.png https://zmichaelgehlke.com/images/covid-mortality.png We know from re-analysis of the mRNA trials that their major injury rate is at least 1 in 800. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYR1wz-Cf_M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYR1wz-Cf_M And just coincidentally, 1/800 times the 500M doses in the US is very close to what a 10% increase in mortality (blue line) would be for two years — about 300,000 deaths a year. But I’m sure that it’s a coincidence that our non-COVID-attributed excess death matches the serious injury rate of mRNA vaccines and begins around the same period (purple line going below black line in 21Q2).
- maxerickson 4y ago
  In your last paragraph, you are conflating things like "diarrhea" and "rash" with major injury and death. (adverse events of special interested listed in tables 3 and 4 in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/ , which is the paper the youtube guy is talking on)
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    From those tables, 39 of 52 adverse effects for Pfizer and 63 of 87 for Moderna come from this list: Acute kidney injury Acute liver injury Acute respiratory distress syndrome Coagulation disorder Myocarditis/pericarditis Other forms of acute cardiac injury - - - - - I don’t believe I misrepresented or conflated anything — but if you prefer, that list above is an injury rate of 1/1000 doses. Again, about the excess deaths we mysteriously started seeing in 2021. In fact, I find you suggesting that a side effect like diarrhea (1 in 52 and 2 in 87) is better representative to be verging on misinformation. The most common was “Other forms of acute cardiac injury” (16 of 52; 26 of 87).
    - maxerickson 4y ago
      You conflated adverse events of serious interest with major injury and then conflated major injury with a mortality rate. I didn't try to pick representative examples of the adverse events, I pointed out blatant discrepancies with your characterization.
      - zmgsabst 4y ago
        You didn’t point out any discrepancies: The data in the table is over 80% major injuries, with heart damage being the primary one — and heart problems like myocarditis have extremely high fatality rates. I pointed out that the rate of excess death not attributed to COVID is coincidentally about the rate of serious vaccine injuries — which is factually true. Whether we use 1/800 or the 1/1000 from just that subset, listed above.

by myko 4y ago

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago

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myko 4y ago
The vaccine technology used was studied for 20+ years. Billions of doses have been administered. They're safe. This antivax nonsense should be banned from the site. Just read your own article: "Any link to Covid vaccines has been ruled out on the basis of international evidence demonstrating their safety in pregnancy, but PHS confirmed that it had not checked the vaccination status of any of the mothers affected. ... Since April 2022, the neonatal mortality rate has been falling and - between May 2022 and October 2022, the most recent month for which data is available - has been consistently lower than expected when compared against the pre-pandemic averages." The children in the article were too young to be vaccinated. The more likely explanation is either the kids got covid, or received subpar care due to staffing shortages caused by covid. Please stop spreading antivax sentiment.

notthevax 4y ago

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zmgsabst 4y ago

Factually, the majority of excess death is no longer COVID-attributed. We’re either missing another modality by which COVID kills — or there’s another cause. That’s according to the OECD mortality figures. https://zmichaelgehlke.com/images/covid-mortality.png https://zmichaelgehlke.com/images/covid-mortality.png We know from re-analysis of the mRNA trials that their major injury rate is at least 1 in 800. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYR1wz-Cf_M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYR1wz-Cf_M And just coincidentally, 1/800 times the 500M doses in the US is very close to what a 10% increase in mortality (blue line) would be for two years — about 300,000 deaths a year. But I’m sure that it’s a coincidence that our non-COVID-attributed excess death matches the serious injury rate of mRNA vaccines and begins around the same period (purple line going below black line in 21Q2).

maxerickson 4y ago
In your last paragraph, you are conflating things like "diarrhea" and "rash" with major injury and death. (adverse events of special interested listed in tables 3 and 4 in https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/ , which is the paper the youtube guy is talking on)
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  From those tables, 39 of 52 adverse effects for Pfizer and 63 of 87 for Moderna come from this list: Acute kidney injury Acute liver injury Acute respiratory distress syndrome Coagulation disorder Myocarditis/pericarditis Other forms of acute cardiac injury - - - - - I don’t believe I misrepresented or conflated anything — but if you prefer, that list above is an injury rate of 1/1000 doses. Again, about the excess deaths we mysteriously started seeing in 2021. In fact, I find you suggesting that a side effect like diarrhea (1 in 52 and 2 in 87) is better representative to be verging on misinformation. The most common was “Other forms of acute cardiac injury” (16 of 52; 26 of 87).
  - maxerickson 4y ago
    You conflated adverse events of serious interest with major injury and then conflated major injury with a mortality rate. I didn't try to pick representative examples of the adverse events, I pointed out blatant discrepancies with your characterization.
    - zmgsabst 4y ago
      You didn’t point out any discrepancies: The data in the table is over 80% major injuries, with heart damage being the primary one — and heart problems like myocarditis have extremely high fatality rates. I pointed out that the rate of excess death not attributed to COVID is coincidentally about the rate of serious vaccine injuries — which is factually true. Whether we use 1/800 or the 1/1000 from just that subset, listed above.