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Ah yes, "Disneyland with the Death Penalty". I'm not sure you understand the dynamic that created Singapore, or appreciate the relatively authoritarian measures

by smcl 4y ago

Ah yes, "Disneyland with the Death Penalty". I'm not sure you understand the dynamic that created Singapore, or appreciate the relatively authoritarian measures that ensure that it doesn't become a "filthy cit[y] with piss and feces everywhere, drugs openly being used in public homeless tent cities, and casual shoplifting not only tolerated but actually celebrated". I'd like to know which city you're referring to, I've slummed it in the worst of European cities and I haven't seen anything close to this. It sounds like the right-wing characterisation of San Francisco, though. So if it is SF, I'd like to ask you: what policies specifically Singapore institutes that San Francisco (or the place you're thinking of) don't?

nemo44x 4y ago
The first step to recovery is to leave the denial phase and admit there’s a problem and it should be addressed. Many American cities and many exurban/rural towns (right-wing country!) have massive issues. They are filthy, violent, drug addicted, and mismanaged. Let me put it to you this way. In the USA and much of Europe (less so in Europe) there are large swaths of cities in particular where you wouldn’t go. Because it’s too dangerous. This doesn’t really exist in Singapore, etc. We just assume this is normal and unavoidable but it’s not. You don’t have to “know where you are”. Would you be fine with me picking any place in Chicago or SF and drop you off in it?
- tptacek 4y ago
  This page will generate a set of random addresses in Chicago. How many times do you have to reload it before you get an address that would be tricky to handle? https://il.postcodebase.com/random_address_city/CHICAGO https://il.postcodebase.com/random_address_city/CHICAGO
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    The first address was: 5326 S CALUMET AVE CHICAGO IL 60615-4818 USA Which is in an area named “Washington Park”. The crime rates are here: https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/n/washington-park-chicago-il/ https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/n/washington-park-chica... It’s no place I’d ever want to be. I feel bad for the people that have to live there. Their government has failed to do the 1 thing it ultimately is supposed to do which is protect them.
    - tptacek 4y ago
      That's 2 half blocks from the giant park that divides the University of Chicago campus --- one of the safest neighborhoods in Chicago --- from the rest of the city. The park is full of university joggers, so do be careful of that. If you walk 10 minutes in the other direction you'll be at a large police station. I'm not saying you'd want an apartment in Washington Park. Your car would get broken into a bunch. But the question you asked was "would you be fine if I dropped you off in a random point in Chicago". You would be perfectly fine at the random point you picked.

by smcl 4y ago

nemo44x 4y ago

The first step to recovery is to leave the denial phase and admit there’s a problem and it should be addressed. Many American cities and many exurban/rural towns (right-wing country!) have massive issues. They are filthy, violent, drug addicted, and mismanaged. Let me put it to you this way. In the USA and much of Europe (less so in Europe) there are large swaths of cities in particular where you wouldn’t go. Because it’s too dangerous. This doesn’t really exist in Singapore, etc. We just assume this is normal and unavoidable but it’s not. You don’t have to “know where you are”. Would you be fine with me picking any place in Chicago or SF and drop you off in it?

tptacek 4y ago
This page will generate a set of random addresses in Chicago. How many times do you have to reload it before you get an address that would be tricky to handle? https://il.postcodebase.com/random_address_city/CHICAGO https://il.postcodebase.com/random_address_city/CHICAGO
- nemo44x 4y ago
  The first address was: 5326 S CALUMET AVE CHICAGO IL 60615-4818 USA Which is in an area named “Washington Park”. The crime rates are here: https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/n/washington-park-chicago-il/ https://www.niche.com/places-to-live/n/washington-park-chica... It’s no place I’d ever want to be. I feel bad for the people that have to live there. Their government has failed to do the 1 thing it ultimately is supposed to do which is protect them.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    That's 2 half blocks from the giant park that divides the University of Chicago campus --- one of the safest neighborhoods in Chicago --- from the rest of the city. The park is full of university joggers, so do be careful of that. If you walk 10 minutes in the other direction you'll be at a large police station. I'm not saying you'd want an apartment in Washington Park. Your car would get broken into a bunch. But the question you asked was "would you be fine if I dropped you off in a random point in Chicago". You would be perfectly fine at the random point you picked.