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Just look around you, do you see any critical mass on both the vendor or consumer side that does something the way you describe it? Every time someone comes up

Just look around you, do you see any critical mass on both the vendor or consumer side that does something the way you describe it? Every time someone comes up with some confident theory on markets or how things should be, or how bad the things are as they currently are, they forget that the reality is 'the market' (whatever their definition happens to be at that time) did not, in fact, change due to either supply or demand. So when you were to say "the market demands offline devices, and the big companies are failing because they don't deliver that", you're either talking about a theoretical market, or about a different market, but not about the mass consumer electronics market. Because the big companies aren't failing, and regardless of the demand, no significant portion seems to be supplied.

dotancohen 4y ago
> Just look around you, do you see any critical mass on both the vendor or consumer side that does something the way you describe it? Yes, I do. I personally want a phone with a stylus. Samsung makes one. Somebody else wants a phone with a good camera - Apple and Samsung both make phones with terrific cameras. Somebody else wants a small phone. That's where Palm Phone and Unihertz fill the niche. Others want inexpensive phones, there is a flood of inexpensive Chinese phones. Others want security, or battery life, or E-ink screens. All of that is available. What segment do you feel is underserved?
- oneplane 4y ago
  You're missing your own point: none of those do what you described in your reply. I'm not talking about what is there, I'm talking about what you proposed should be there but isn't there. > If Apple is not competing on features, then shouldn't the market provide an alternative company that does? Specifically, Apple requires a network connection to its servers to used basic functionality yet consumers do not like this. So where is this proposed product? Where is the significant contender that satisfies all alarmists, privacy advocates and commercial interests, making this 'problem' not a problem? There can't be conflicting truths, either we have a problem ("lack of product-market fit" or however we name it), or we don't ("market supplies products that fit").

dotancohen 4y ago

> Just look around you, do you see any critical mass on both the vendor or consumer side that does something the way you describe it? Yes, I do. I personally want a phone with a stylus. Samsung makes one. Somebody else wants a phone with a good camera - Apple and Samsung both make phones with terrific cameras. Somebody else wants a small phone. That's where Palm Phone and Unihertz fill the niche. Others want inexpensive phones, there is a flood of inexpensive Chinese phones. Others want security, or battery life, or E-ink screens. All of that is available. What segment do you feel is underserved?

oneplane 4y ago
You're missing your own point: none of those do what you described in your reply. I'm not talking about what is there, I'm talking about what you proposed should be there but isn't there. > If Apple is not competing on features, then shouldn't the market provide an alternative company that does? Specifically, Apple requires a network connection to its servers to used basic functionality yet consumers do not like this. So where is this proposed product? Where is the significant contender that satisfies all alarmists, privacy advocates and commercial interests, making this 'problem' not a problem? There can't be conflicting truths, either we have a problem ("lack of product-market fit" or however we name it), or we don't ("market supplies products that fit").