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No one counts freighters as a warship dude. Chinese Navy has more Destroyers (by weight) than the US Navy has ships (by weight). Also, because the Chinese str

No one counts freighters as a warship dude. Chinese Navy has more Destroyers (by weight) than the US Navy has ships (by weight). Also, because the Chinese strategy is a mass of smaller ships, they also outnumber us on a ship by ship basis. USA strategy is around capital ships like Carriers. There hasn't been a large scale sea battle since WW2. No one really knows how these two contrasting strategies will end, or who has the advantage. -------- I think the combined US Navy + Taiwan Navy still outnumbers China though (both by weight and by ships). It's still a difficult road for China, but they are making more ships than us and will outnumber the combined fleets over the next few years.

wolverine876 4y ago
I read a lot of foreign policy and also defense expertise. Nobody talks about tonnage this way or connects it to firepower, that I've seen. They talk about capability, for example. I've given examples of warships with tonnage but not power. I don't see any support for your claim. > USA strategy is around capital ships like Carriers. The US explicitly left this strategy behind, several years ago. > dude Not me.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  > I've given examples of warships with tonnage but not power. I don't see any support for your claim. What claims exactly? That the Chinese Navy outnumbers us by significant margins now? https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL33153 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL33153 Don't forget, USA has lots of missions around the world. China on the other hand, can basically solely focus on Taiwan. Fortunately, Taiwan isn't exactly a pushover (they've got some pretty nice defenses), but Taiwan will absolutely be reliant upon USA (especially our Navy) for defense. ---- As far as "capabilities", you know that the USA has no stealth destroyers, or ship-based hypersonic missiles. Remember that Chinese hypersonics can be launched on mobile platforms, meaning every single highway in China within 3000km of Taiwan is a potential hypersonic launch point. And remember that every single Chinese Air Force base will also be in play. I don't think China will be able to take, say... Hawaii or Guam. My discussion points are hyper-focused upon Taiwan, a particular geographical region that China has _HUGE_ advantages in... while the USA has many disadvantages. Our Navy will only be supplied from Japanese / Philippines (reasonably close, but also small islands that just don't have the capability like Chinese rail or Chinese Highways / Docks will have). ------- Worst: USA's "disadvantage" position will only be for a short timeframe. Our upgrade schedule for our ships is public. The world knows that USA's next generation ships / Navy is coming in the years 2030+ or so, which means China has a short... few year window... where they will be stronger / more capable than us. The political implications are obvious. It is in the best interest of China to strike when their advantage is maximized. IE: Chinese latest-generation ships roll off their dry-docks into service... but before the USA upgrades our Navy in 2030s. If China chooses peace (and I hope they do), they will lose the opportunity of a lifetime. US Navy obviously will outmatch the Chinese Navy in 2030s and onwards.

wolverine876 4y ago

I read a lot of foreign policy and also defense expertise. Nobody talks about tonnage this way or connects it to firepower, that I've seen. They talk about capability, for example. I've given examples of warships with tonnage but not power. I don't see any support for your claim. > USA strategy is around capital ships like Carriers. The US explicitly left this strategy behind, several years ago. > dude Not me.

dragontamer 4y ago
> I've given examples of warships with tonnage but not power. I don't see any support for your claim. What claims exactly? That the Chinese Navy outnumbers us by significant margins now? https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL33153 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL33153 Don't forget, USA has lots of missions around the world. China on the other hand, can basically solely focus on Taiwan. Fortunately, Taiwan isn't exactly a pushover (they've got some pretty nice defenses), but Taiwan will absolutely be reliant upon USA (especially our Navy) for defense. ---- As far as "capabilities", you know that the USA has no stealth destroyers, or ship-based hypersonic missiles. Remember that Chinese hypersonics can be launched on mobile platforms, meaning every single highway in China within 3000km of Taiwan is a potential hypersonic launch point. And remember that every single Chinese Air Force base will also be in play. I don't think China will be able to take, say... Hawaii or Guam. My discussion points are hyper-focused upon Taiwan, a particular geographical region that China has _HUGE_ advantages in... while the USA has many disadvantages. Our Navy will only be supplied from Japanese / Philippines (reasonably close, but also small islands that just don't have the capability like Chinese rail or Chinese Highways / Docks will have). ------- Worst: USA's "disadvantage" position will only be for a short timeframe. Our upgrade schedule for our ships is public. The world knows that USA's next generation ships / Navy is coming in the years 2030+ or so, which means China has a short... few year window... where they will be stronger / more capable than us. The political implications are obvious. It is in the best interest of China to strike when their advantage is maximized. IE: Chinese latest-generation ships roll off their dry-docks into service... but before the USA upgrades our Navy in 2030s. If China chooses peace (and I hope they do), they will lose the opportunity of a lifetime. US Navy obviously will outmatch the Chinese Navy in 2030s and onwards.