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I think you've taken it a bit personally, because firing back with "sheer amount of filth, crime and misery that's part of any major Western city" is a cartooni

by smcl 4y ago

I think you've taken it a bit personally, because firing back with "sheer amount of filth, crime and misery that's part of any major Western city" is a cartoonish exaggeration, portraying London or Edinburgh as if they're hellish, fallen nightmare realms like Yharnam[0]. I would say that the article is a bit simplistic and doesn't include any very clear or helpful comparison to the UK. I think it would be interesting to list out some of the various problems affecting the UK, and to compare how Japan attempts to solve these problems and explore whether there are any consequences to these solutions, or whether they're applicable in the UK. [0] - https://bloodborne.fandom.com/wiki/Yharnam?file=Bloodborne-screen-03-ps4-us-10jun14.jpg https://bloodborne.fandom.com/wiki/Yharnam?file=Bloodborne-s...

LudwigNagasena 4y ago
That’s just a straw man. Yes, major Western cities aren’t like Yharnam. They are still full of misery, filth and crime though.
- smcl 4y ago
  I disagree that it's a straw man - "full of misery, filth and crime" is just a flat out lie and more accurately describes a fictional city in a fallen world. There are problems and there is a conversation to be had about them, an interesting one too! But it's not possible to have that conversation if you want to knee-jerk react to a not-great article about Japan with ridiculous exaggerations that paint "Western cities" (maybe would be helpful if we used examples, like I did) as if they're something they're not. The article talked about real, concrete problems in Japan. We could level the playing field by talking about the real, concrete problems facing UK cities, explore whether Japan has these problems, how they may have solved them and whether that's possible in the UK. That would be much more productive than than talking as if there are open sewers flowing through the streets of Manchester and armed gangs at every turn. Because that's just gonna end up in a "X country is better than Y" argument and that's tedious
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by smcl 4y ago

LudwigNagasena 4y ago

That’s just a straw man. Yes, major Western cities aren’t like Yharnam. They are still full of misery, filth and crime though.

smcl 4y ago
I disagree that it's a straw man - "full of misery, filth and crime" is just a flat out lie and more accurately describes a fictional city in a fallen world. There are problems and there is a conversation to be had about them, an interesting one too! But it's not possible to have that conversation if you want to knee-jerk react to a not-great article about Japan with ridiculous exaggerations that paint "Western cities" (maybe would be helpful if we used examples, like I did) as if they're something they're not. The article talked about real, concrete problems in Japan. We could level the playing field by talking about the real, concrete problems facing UK cities, explore whether Japan has these problems, how they may have solved them and whether that's possible in the UK. That would be much more productive than than talking as if there are open sewers flowing through the streets of Manchester and armed gangs at every turn. Because that's just gonna end up in a "X country is better than Y" argument and that's tedious
- LudwigNagasena 4y ago
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