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I am not convinced that finding "job opportunities and career growth severely limited by the heavily patriarchal culture" is the same as "treating half the popu
by mcculley 4y ago
I am not convinced that finding "job opportunities and career growth severely limited by the heavily patriarchal culture" is the same as "treating half the population as undeserving of a career".
- Retric 4y agoIn what way are they different? It seems like a different description of the same thing.
- mcculley 4y agoOne is hyperbolic. One can believe that there is some bias against women without believing that they are treated as undeserving of having a career.
- Retric 4y agoOk, I read the description as quite literal not hyperbolic.
- mcculley 4y agoAnd you think they are the same? How much experience do you have with the Japanese job market?
- Retric 4y agoI am not a female in the Japanese job market, but I do have first hand accounts from them. Are you a woman in the Japanese job market?
- mcculley 4y agoI am not a woman in the Japanese job market. I am merely a man trying to understand how "job opportunities and career growth severely limited by the heavily patriarchal culture" is the same as "treating half the population as undeserving of a career". I see "job opportunities and career growth severely limited" for women in many industries in the United States and yet it would be silly to say that many think they are "undeserving of a career". I am skeptical of some claims made about specific industries and cultures being much worse than others.
- Retric 4y agoThe word choice may be the same, but Japan is significantly more extreme than the US. In 2018 21.8% of Medical doctors in Japan where women vs 36.6% in the US and 48.6% in the UK. https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-details/GHO/medical-doctors-by-sex https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-detai... You can find more and less extreme examples in various industries, but there’s a real difference between the two counties.
- mcculley 4y agoDoes this existence of fewer women in a job mean that they are kept out by those who think them “undeserving of a career”? Only 4% of sewage plant operators are female. Is that because they are kept out of the industry?
- Retric 4y agoDeserving of a career here implies the career is desirable. So, I understand if reality makes you uncomfortable but reality doesn’t care.
- mcculley 4y agoThe reality of the situation has not caused me any discomfort. I remain unconvinced that the two phrases are descriptions of the same thing.