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Are you another one of those that think everything is going to shit because of immigration? What used to be something only old racists and simpletons would lou

by sph 4y ago

Are you another one of those that think everything is going to shit because of immigration? What used to be something only old racists and simpletons would loudly declaim 30 years ago, now it's become a common, yet still utterly moronic, party line. But it's so easy to blame everything on the brown and the gaijin, when thinking hard about a hard problem takes too much effort.

slothtrop 4y ago
Your diatribe seems based on a projection. The implication I glean of namdnay's point is that woes could be alleviated by immigration, and the responding user suggests that it's not a silver bullet. That's different than saying "everything is going to shit because of immigration". Also, being critical of immigration policy is not tantamount to criticizing the immigrants themselves. That's another projection. There are surely advantages to immigration, but I think it's disingenuous to suggest it has zero potential downsides especially with higher rates as other policies and structures don't necessarily shift in tandem to accommodate it. For example, wage suppression - it's just simple supply and demand, which should be uncontroversial. But maybe one that might speak to some people more: everyone in the West has a higher carbon footprint, and no one moves here to consume less. The things we enjoy and take for granted are what make it a better life. So any conceit of potentially lowering waste/emissions qua consumer choice is wholly undermined by the fact that it is a matter of policy to increase consumption - with more bodies - to boost the GDP. Rates of global emissions are growing not just through growing economies like China (which is probably the largest factor of the last 20 years), but immigration.
- the_af 4y ago
  I also read the comment as blaming Europe's ills on immigration.
  - slothtrop 4y ago
    It's possible they meant that, but it wasn't explicitly said. I just put it in the context of the response to the other user.
ehvatum 4y ago
> Are you another one of those that think everything is going to shit because of immigration? Not everything, but Paris isn’t what it used to be.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > Not everything, but Paris isn’t what it used to be. Yeah, now there are bike lines and it isn't suicidal to bike here. Or do you mean something else? There have always been poor people in Paris, and there have always (ok, not always, but since France has been a colonial empire and since it has been the preferred destination for Portugese and Spaniards to come work here for better wages, so for multiple generations now) been immigrants.

by sph 4y ago

slothtrop 4y ago

Your diatribe seems based on a projection. The implication I glean of namdnay's point is that woes could be alleviated by immigration, and the responding user suggests that it's not a silver bullet. That's different than saying "everything is going to shit because of immigration". Also, being critical of immigration policy is not tantamount to criticizing the immigrants themselves. That's another projection. There are surely advantages to immigration, but I think it's disingenuous to suggest it has zero potential downsides especially with higher rates as other policies and structures don't necessarily shift in tandem to accommodate it. For example, wage suppression - it's just simple supply and demand, which should be uncontroversial. But maybe one that might speak to some people more: everyone in the West has a higher carbon footprint, and no one moves here to consume less. The things we enjoy and take for granted are what make it a better life. So any conceit of potentially lowering waste/emissions qua consumer choice is wholly undermined by the fact that it is a matter of policy to increase consumption - with more bodies - to boost the GDP. Rates of global emissions are growing not just through growing economies like China (which is probably the largest factor of the last 20 years), but immigration.

the_af 4y ago
I also read the comment as blaming Europe's ills on immigration.
- slothtrop 4y ago
  It's possible they meant that, but it wasn't explicitly said. I just put it in the context of the response to the other user.

ehvatum 4y ago

> Are you another one of those that think everything is going to shit because of immigration? Not everything, but Paris isn’t what it used to be.

sofixa 4y ago
> Not everything, but Paris isn’t what it used to be. Yeah, now there are bike lines and it isn't suicidal to bike here. Or do you mean something else? There have always been poor people in Paris, and there have always (ok, not always, but since France has been a colonial empire and since it has been the preferred destination for Portugese and Spaniards to come work here for better wages, so for multiple generations now) been immigrants.