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SQLite Code of Conduct: First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart
- yawaramin 4y agoThe thing I find very cool about the SQLite meta-project is the blessing at the top of their source code (go and look it up, it's not hard to find). I find it pretty amazing that this blessing was put there four days after 9/11 in what was sure to be a pretty emotional time.
- throwntoday 4y agoI mean the creator is free to make his project's code of conduct whatever he wishes.
- karmakurtisaani 4y agoI doubt anyone will dispute that. However, pointing out the beyond unusual CoC is quite interesting and worth discussing.
- throwntoday 4y agoI don't see anything unusual about it. If anything, your average CoC that panders to those obsessed with identity politics is absurd.
- BizarreByte 4y agoAt least it’s unique compared to the regular CoC nonsense. A CoC should reflect the values of those who work on a project and/or the project itself, if this does all the power to them. There’s nothing saying a CoC has to be the standard progressive gibberish.
- jqpabc123 4y agoThere’s nothing saying a CoC has to be the standard progressive gibberish. There's nothing saying a CoC has to be standard supernatural gibberish either.
- BizarreByte 4y agoTrue, but in this case it is and that’s perfectly fine. CoCs are meaningless anyway.
- jqpabc123 4y agoYes, perfectly fine. My only complaint is with generically categorizing alternatives as "gibberish". This tends to convey a sense of arrogance and lack of tolerance that I have observed to be quite common among supernaturalists. As evidence of this, I submit the fact that my post was immediately down voted --- despite being virtually identical to the original which wasn't. Thus demonstrating a clear basis for one "gibberish" over another.
- Karunamon 4y agoThe "your post again but with a word or two changed" thing is usually on the same level as sarcasm. If you have a point, just make it directly rather than using cutesy/childish rhetorical tricks.
- jqpabc123 4y agocutesy/childish rhetorical tricks. These "tricks" tend to reveal the reflexive bias that people hold. For evidence, see the posts above.
- veltas 4y ago> a sense of arrogance and lack of tolerance that I have observed to be quite common among supernaturalists You are stereotyping religious people (84% of the global population) while preaching about arrogance and lack of tolerance.
- jqpabc123 4y agoAny stereotyping directly followed the stereotyping that preceded it. The real question is --- why is one acceptable but the other is not?
- alkonaut 4y agoSo that’s an easy way of making a lot of people either unable to contribute, or in breach of the CoC? Where did this come from? Without having any idea of the background this reads like some conservative Christian who adopted a weird CoC as a reaction to what they felt was “too progressive” CoCs for other projects? I may be way off the mark there though. He’s free to do whatever he wants of course but isn’t this a fork risk?
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- BizarreByte 4y ago> So that’s an easy way of making a lot of people either unable to contribute, or in breach of the CoC? The average CoC we’re all more familiar with does the exact same thing, so I don’t think this is a valid criticism.
- alkonaut 4y agoApparently people aren’t even required to follow the rule. Which makes it an even weirder thing to state in the CoC. I think having useless or unnecessary things in the CoC is “bad” is valid criticism of it tbh.
- jqpabc123 4y agoMuch simpler code of conduct: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. No belief in the supernatural required, just enlightened self interest in making the world a better place for yourself and others.
- arcbyte 4y agoAlone, this code is insufficient. You need an ideal to strive for beyond yourself. First and foremost, strive to be better than you are (according to some ideal - for me as a Christian it is God). Then secondly, you should love your neighbor as yourself - or do unto others as you would have done to yourself as you put it. People are not perfect and every single person alive has areas where they would choose to have pain inflicted on themselves because of lies they believe about themselves. They would visit those lies on other people as well under your single code. We therefore need the appeal to a higher ideal to break free of those false beliefs. We are learning creatures and life is a journey of knowledge. We should always be learning better ways to treat each other as the first rule. Then as a second rule is the Golden Rule to never treat anyone less than than the very best way that you have learned until now. And this matches nicely with Jesus's teachings in Mark 12:28-31
- jqpabc123 4y agoYou need an ideal to strive for beyond yourself. Working for the collective good of yourself *and* others is all about striving beyond just youself. I'm sorry you missed that.
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- verdverm 4y agoWhat if I would accept maleficence if I could do harm to others? (because I believe I am better at harming and self-protection, so in the long run, my self interest will help me reach the top)
- jwilk 4y agoDiscussed in 2018: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273390 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273390 (63 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530 (288 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18297514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18297514 (19 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18313131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18313131 (89 comments)
- dang 4y agoYes, plus some more recent discussions, including in the last year, which makes the current thread a dupe (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). SQLite Code of Ethics (2020) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32918332 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32918332 - Sept 2022 (14 comments) The SQLite Code of Ethics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31886687 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31886687 - June 2022 (379 comments) SQLite – Code of Ethics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31057104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31057104 - April 2022 (2 comments) SQLite: Code of Ethics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26547201 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26547201 - March 2021 (23 comments) SQLite updated Code of Conduct - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18313131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18313131 - Oct 2018 (88 comments) SQLite Code of Ethics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18297514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18297514 - Oct 2018 (19 comments) Sqlite: Code Of Conduct - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530 - Oct 2018 (281 comments) SQLite Code of Conduct - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273390 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273390 - Oct 2018 (60 comments)
- Scubabear68 4y agoWhat is interesting to me here is basically they are pledging to strive to be like Benedictine Monks. This is not just saying “love your neighbor and God”, this is a much deeper pledge. Which is why you see things like Chastity thrown in. So I guess we’re not going to see little SQLite coders..
- teilo 4y agoChastity != celibacy. Chastity is the broader category. Celibacy is specific. chaste, adjective, 1: innocent of unlawful sexual intercourse 2: celibate, 3: pure in thought and act, modest.
- d1l 4y agoI doubt any valuable conversation will occur, as the editorialized title seems designed to be provocative. Nonetheless it's clear that these are just a suggestion. Given the enormous good the author's of SQLite have done in the world, can those that disagree with this just get on with their lives? In this world there are all kinds of beliefs.
- yawaramin 4y agoIt's not even a suggestion. It's a promise of the way they intend to behave: > The founder of SQLite and all current developers have pledged to follow the spirit of The Rule to the best of their ability. They view The Rule as their promise to all SQLite users of how the developers are expected to behave. This is a one-way promise, or covenant. In other words, the developers are saying: "We will treat you this way regardless of how you treat us."
- seabird 4y agoVery on-brand considering the project. I'd like to believe SQLite is under some sort of divine protection. I'd imagine the team are all on the same page.
- sgammon 4y agothanks i still hate it
- sgammon 4y agoError AD0: Religion in valid. Please check your non-Eurocentric worldview and try again. /s