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*Don't want to do for low wages anymore

sph 4y ago
Of course, so let's close the doors and magically I'll get paid £30/hour to collect trash off the street, because there's no competition with the immigrants. Simple as. We've tried that in Britain. Come see how's that worked out for us.
- slothtrop 4y ago
  In this country those are municipal jobs that give you a pension. One could do worse.
- eska 4y ago
  So it’s ok if it’s some immigrant who gets the shit pay without any chance of a career, got it.
  - petodo 4y ago
    well we can employ robots to do these low qualified tasks, if you think it will help those poor immigrants. I guess their jobs taken by robots is better option for you
  - sph 4y ago
    That's some dishonest retort right there. It's not so black-and-white. I never said people getting paid below minimum wage to collect trash is a good thing, you just assumed I did to take my argument down. I just pointed out that removing the layer of population that has no other choice than working below minimum wage will not solve the economic and social stratification. The point of my comment is that immigration and low pay are two completely unrelated phenomena that some loudmouths want us to believe they're correlated. The average voter, then, goes on to believe closing borders magically means they'll finally be able afford a mortgage and a better life while doing unskilled work. Less immigration, fewer candidates, they'll have to pay us more, no? If only it were that simple. For any hard problems, there is a clear, simple and wrong answer, which usually works quite well as a slogan for a political campaign. "Immigration" it's a classic example.
- badpun 4y ago
  This leads to everyone getting poorer, as there are no more immigrants to exploit. People no longer can get their houses renovated on the cheap, municipalities don't have cheap labor to pick up the trash and clean public toilets. Of course, since the immigrants come from even worse conditions, actually being economically exploited in the UK is a great deal for them. A win-win.
  - alltheworlds 4y ago
    > This leads to everyone getting poorer, as there are no more immigrants to exploit. I'm an immigrant to the UK. No-one exploited me. I had a choice of lots of countries to go to (EU passport) and chose the UK voluntarily.
    - badpun 4y ago
      Not every immigrant is doing hard labor for minimum wage or less... Those are the exploited ones, not people hanging on HN.
      - alltheworlds 4y ago
        I worked as a barman, a shelf stacker, a fruit picker, a stock picker (I mean the guy at the back of the warehouse stacking trolleys with orders) before I transitioned to software. I was on minimum wage. I wasn't exploited, it was a means to an end. I don't think you would really care about me as an individual. I think you just didn't want my type here.
- pydry 4y ago
  >We've tried that in Britain. Come see how's that worked out for us. With Brexit? The UK ended up replacing EU nationals with non EU nationals. Not much changed. Nobody is getting the kind of wages you'd get in Norway or Switzerland for picking trash off the street.
- imbnwa 4y ago
  Its amazing how much people thinks economics and the capitalist elite are just supposed to magically align with their phantasmic vision of an ethnic monoculture purged of all otherness

sph 4y ago

Of course, so let's close the doors and magically I'll get paid £30/hour to collect trash off the street, because there's no competition with the immigrants. Simple as. We've tried that in Britain. Come see how's that worked out for us.

slothtrop 4y ago
In this country those are municipal jobs that give you a pension. One could do worse.
eska 4y ago
So it’s ok if it’s some immigrant who gets the shit pay without any chance of a career, got it.
- petodo 4y ago
  well we can employ robots to do these low qualified tasks, if you think it will help those poor immigrants. I guess their jobs taken by robots is better option for you
- sph 4y ago
  That's some dishonest retort right there. It's not so black-and-white. I never said people getting paid below minimum wage to collect trash is a good thing, you just assumed I did to take my argument down. I just pointed out that removing the layer of population that has no other choice than working below minimum wage will not solve the economic and social stratification. The point of my comment is that immigration and low pay are two completely unrelated phenomena that some loudmouths want us to believe they're correlated. The average voter, then, goes on to believe closing borders magically means they'll finally be able afford a mortgage and a better life while doing unskilled work. Less immigration, fewer candidates, they'll have to pay us more, no? If only it were that simple. For any hard problems, there is a clear, simple and wrong answer, which usually works quite well as a slogan for a political campaign. "Immigration" it's a classic example.
badpun 4y ago
This leads to everyone getting poorer, as there are no more immigrants to exploit. People no longer can get their houses renovated on the cheap, municipalities don't have cheap labor to pick up the trash and clean public toilets. Of course, since the immigrants come from even worse conditions, actually being economically exploited in the UK is a great deal for them. A win-win.
- alltheworlds 4y ago
  > This leads to everyone getting poorer, as there are no more immigrants to exploit. I'm an immigrant to the UK. No-one exploited me. I had a choice of lots of countries to go to (EU passport) and chose the UK voluntarily.
  - badpun 4y ago
    Not every immigrant is doing hard labor for minimum wage or less... Those are the exploited ones, not people hanging on HN.
    - alltheworlds 4y ago
      I worked as a barman, a shelf stacker, a fruit picker, a stock picker (I mean the guy at the back of the warehouse stacking trolleys with orders) before I transitioned to software. I was on minimum wage. I wasn't exploited, it was a means to an end. I don't think you would really care about me as an individual. I think you just didn't want my type here.
pydry 4y ago
>We've tried that in Britain. Come see how's that worked out for us. With Brexit? The UK ended up replacing EU nationals with non EU nationals. Not much changed. Nobody is getting the kind of wages you'd get in Norway or Switzerland for picking trash off the street.
imbnwa 4y ago
Its amazing how much people thinks economics and the capitalist elite are just supposed to magically align with their phantasmic vision of an ethnic monoculture purged of all otherness