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You'll find that people in the West have an unfounded arrogance about the QoL in Western countries (by which I mean primarily the Anglo-Saxon world along with s

by Laaas 4y ago

You'll find that people in the West have an unfounded arrogance about the QoL in Western countries (by which I mean primarily the Anglo-Saxon world along with some "white" European countries). Many countries have better QoL than the West, because it turns out crime and filth don't have to be normal nor accepted. Specifically in the case of Japan, you'll also find that people are much better behaved in general.

inciampati 4y ago
Do you mean northern European? Germanic? Scandinavian? What on earth does white mean here?
pb7 4y ago
So well behaved that trains have women-only cars because of how prevalent sexual assault is.
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
  And creep shots are so prevalent cameras have legally mandated shutter sounds.
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    > legally mandated It’s not. A discussion of the details: https://review.lineageos.org/c/LineageOS/android_frameworks_base/+/305659 https://review.lineageos.org/c/LineageOS/android_frameworks_...
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  I commuted for a few years in Paris, and have seen a few dozens fist fights between passengers, sometimes at rush hour. And people get their purse mugged in the car behind, homeless shitting in the back of the car, super high guy with completely empty eyes playing with a knife while sitting next to the door. It was a fucking circus. Having a “women only” car at rush hour to deescalate tensions is such a minor peeve in comparison.
  - pb7 4y ago
    Having a “women only” car shows there are deep societal issues that are normalized due to the country’s ultra patriarchal ways. A normal solution would be to prosecute the perpetrators but Japan doesn’t take women seriously. A “women only” car does not at all address the cultural problem of men thinking it’s okay to commit sexual assault.
    - makeitdouble 4y ago
      I get your point, but having a “women only” car (which is actually a “women and kids and elderly and disabled people only”, from 7h to 10h in the morning) is a lower hurdle than what people imagine. It is not the high moral ground solution, and two cars among 20 isn’t a big change either, but that’s the most pragmatic solution to this. Catching some random guy during rush hours when there’s a train every 4 min and thousands of people get in and out is more of a logistical nightmare than how you make it sound like. Intentional or accidental groping also happens in France for instance, and the best you’ll get will be a passenger fight, no cops nor rail staff coming in to do anything, while the other passengers shout insanities at the fighters because the train is already too fucking late (actually had that once on the train I was riding). The equivalent situation is taken way more seriously in Japan[0]. Patriarchy is strong either way, but I’d be looking at school uniforms more than rush hour arrangements if we want to dig on the topic. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Just_Didn't_Do_It https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Just_Didn't_Do_It
vidarh 4y ago
Talking about "Western" as one here is meaningless. In Norway it was for a long time common to use the term "American conditions" as a derogatory way to dismiss policy proposals seen as US inspired, and Texas is used as a term for crazy / out of control. Many western countries are as different from each other as from Japan.

by Laaas 4y ago

inciampati 4y ago

Do you mean northern European? Germanic? Scandinavian? What on earth does white mean here?

pb7 4y ago

So well behaved that trains have women-only cars because of how prevalent sexual assault is.

ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
And creep shots are so prevalent cameras have legally mandated shutter sounds.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  > legally mandated It’s not. A discussion of the details: https://review.lineageos.org/c/LineageOS/android_frameworks_base/+/305659 https://review.lineageos.org/c/LineageOS/android_frameworks_...
makeitdouble 4y ago
I commuted for a few years in Paris, and have seen a few dozens fist fights between passengers, sometimes at rush hour. And people get their purse mugged in the car behind, homeless shitting in the back of the car, super high guy with completely empty eyes playing with a knife while sitting next to the door. It was a fucking circus. Having a “women only” car at rush hour to deescalate tensions is such a minor peeve in comparison.
- pb7 4y ago
  Having a “women only” car shows there are deep societal issues that are normalized due to the country’s ultra patriarchal ways. A normal solution would be to prosecute the perpetrators but Japan doesn’t take women seriously. A “women only” car does not at all address the cultural problem of men thinking it’s okay to commit sexual assault.
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    I get your point, but having a “women only” car (which is actually a “women and kids and elderly and disabled people only”, from 7h to 10h in the morning) is a lower hurdle than what people imagine. It is not the high moral ground solution, and two cars among 20 isn’t a big change either, but that’s the most pragmatic solution to this. Catching some random guy during rush hours when there’s a train every 4 min and thousands of people get in and out is more of a logistical nightmare than how you make it sound like. Intentional or accidental groping also happens in France for instance, and the best you’ll get will be a passenger fight, no cops nor rail staff coming in to do anything, while the other passengers shout insanities at the fighters because the train is already too fucking late (actually had that once on the train I was riding). The equivalent situation is taken way more seriously in Japan[0]. Patriarchy is strong either way, but I’d be looking at school uniforms more than rush hour arrangements if we want to dig on the topic. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Just_Didn't_Do_It https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Just_Didn't_Do_It

vidarh 4y ago

Talking about "Western" as one here is meaningless. In Norway it was for a long time common to use the term "American conditions" as a derogatory way to dismiss policy proposals seen as US inspired, and Texas is used as a term for crazy / out of control. Many western countries are as different from each other as from Japan.