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We are not dealing with AGI here. Current trained models are basically just using copy and paste, to create "new" works. There is zero creativity, zero art, z

by b112 4y ago

We are not dealing with AGI here. Current trained models are basically just using copy and paste, to create "new" works. There is zero creativity, zero art, zero original thought, zero newness. When actual AGI happens, then your arguments mean something. Such as in, at least 50 or 100 years down the road.

olalonde 4y ago
We're not dealing with AGI but modern models absolutely demonstrate creativity and newness. If it was simple copy paste, we wouldn't be having this whole conservation since it would be simple for copyright owners to sue and win in case of infringement.
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
There is no copy pasting on diffusion models. All there is is searching for very probable regions in space [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34378500 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34378500
joxel 4y ago
Your statement here is simply ignorance. Generative models do not only provide “copy paste”, they can interpolate and extrapolate from training data. When a human sees a bunch of ideas and mixes them up to produce something slightly different it doesn’t bother anyone. But when a human creates an AI and uses it to do something similar suddenly it’s a problem. I think the burden of proof is on the laypeople here that keep whining about how AI is just copy paste (which is simply not true and such a base simplification it wouldn’t even pass a ELI5 truthfulness test). I’m sure this will get downvotes plenty.
- pvaldes 4y ago
  > When a human sees a bunch of ideas and mixes them up to produce something slightly different it doesn’t bother anyone. Try to make a car using the best ideas developed by each car maker. You will be surprised.
Aerroon 4y ago
Even if what you say is true, the person using it is still asking for what they want. Some of these prompts get unique enough that it's unlikely somebody else is going to make another one like it.

by b112 4y ago

olalonde 4y ago

We're not dealing with AGI but modern models absolutely demonstrate creativity and newness. If it was simple copy paste, we wouldn't be having this whole conservation since it would be simple for copyright owners to sue and win in case of infringement.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago

There is no copy pasting on diffusion models. All there is is searching for very probable regions in space [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34378500 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34378500

joxel 4y ago

Your statement here is simply ignorance. Generative models do not only provide “copy paste”, they can interpolate and extrapolate from training data. When a human sees a bunch of ideas and mixes them up to produce something slightly different it doesn’t bother anyone. But when a human creates an AI and uses it to do something similar suddenly it’s a problem. I think the burden of proof is on the laypeople here that keep whining about how AI is just copy paste (which is simply not true and such a base simplification it wouldn’t even pass a ELI5 truthfulness test). I’m sure this will get downvotes plenty.

pvaldes 4y ago
> When a human sees a bunch of ideas and mixes them up to produce something slightly different it doesn’t bother anyone. Try to make a car using the best ideas developed by each car maker. You will be surprised.

Aerroon 4y ago

Even if what you say is true, the person using it is still asking for what they want. Some of these prompts get unique enough that it's unlikely somebody else is going to make another one like it.