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It’s interesting that we spent decades arguing against corporate IP control because it reduces the intellectual freedom of the human race but now that the corpu

by benced 4y ago

It’s interesting that we spent decades arguing against corporate IP control because it reduces the intellectual freedom of the human race but now that the corpus of data comes from everyday people instead of big companies (a direct effect of the internet democratizing the creation of content), people are suddenly pro IP control. It shows that a lot of people in this space only cared about standing up against corporations, they didn’t care about the philosophy behind the anti-IP movement,

neovialogistics 4y ago
Perhaps standing up against corporations is itself a proxy for some even more deeply hidden system of human values. But what could human minds value, if not free and open IP or opposition to corporate entities?
barnabee 4y ago
I’m very against IP laws and controls in pretty much all their forms. I think if we tried to calculate the cost to humanity of the things that don’t happen or aren’t created, are very expensive to do, or are restricted to people and companies with the right “rights” we’d uncover a tremendous tragedy. In addition to the first order effects (you can’t do X or have to pay to do Y), there are huge chilling effects on uses that are allowed (especially as companies regularly overplay their hand well beyond the protections they are actually afforded), and the cost of technology and people that exist only to enforce these rules. We should embrace the free sharing of information and maximisation of its value for all of humanity. If we worry about researchers, programmers, and artists not getting paid (and we should!) then we ought to pay them as a society for the public goods they create (as we partly do for science and research). Finding and implementing a good and democratically reasonable way to do this would be truly revolutionary. I hope that AI research and training only goes to prove the long term damage and futility of IP as a concept and accelerate its downfall.
- iinnPP 4y ago
  This is also the opinion I reached after thinking about it for quite some time. I am, a wee bit, shocked people believe there can be impactful legislation on this. As if politicians who have been unable to curb PIRACY in any real sense would now be able to tackle an even tougher problem. This is despite well funded lobbying groups. Even large corps enable piracy without consequences. Further, the government frequently indicates a concern that China will beat the US at AI. There is an extremely bumpy ride coming for a group of people that have never had to deal with an unavoidable bumpy ride. I look forward to an increasingly logical viewpoint from people being struck by reality. Not maliciously, but societally. AI has indeed removed the "need" for copyright. Let Mickey die.

by benced 4y ago

neovialogistics 4y ago

Perhaps standing up against corporations is itself a proxy for some even more deeply hidden system of human values. But what could human minds value, if not free and open IP or opposition to corporate entities?

barnabee 4y ago

I’m very against IP laws and controls in pretty much all their forms. I think if we tried to calculate the cost to humanity of the things that don’t happen or aren’t created, are very expensive to do, or are restricted to people and companies with the right “rights” we’d uncover a tremendous tragedy. In addition to the first order effects (you can’t do X or have to pay to do Y), there are huge chilling effects on uses that are allowed (especially as companies regularly overplay their hand well beyond the protections they are actually afforded), and the cost of technology and people that exist only to enforce these rules. We should embrace the free sharing of information and maximisation of its value for all of humanity. If we worry about researchers, programmers, and artists not getting paid (and we should!) then we ought to pay them as a society for the public goods they create (as we partly do for science and research). Finding and implementing a good and democratically reasonable way to do this would be truly revolutionary. I hope that AI research and training only goes to prove the long term damage and futility of IP as a concept and accelerate its downfall.

iinnPP 4y ago
This is also the opinion I reached after thinking about it for quite some time. I am, a wee bit, shocked people believe there can be impactful legislation on this. As if politicians who have been unable to curb PIRACY in any real sense would now be able to tackle an even tougher problem. This is despite well funded lobbying groups. Even large corps enable piracy without consequences. Further, the government frequently indicates a concern that China will beat the US at AI. There is an extremely bumpy ride coming for a group of people that have never had to deal with an unavoidable bumpy ride. I look forward to an increasingly logical viewpoint from people being struck by reality. Not maliciously, but societally. AI has indeed removed the "need" for copyright. Let Mickey die.