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The fact that the justice system is so inefficient that it doesn't serve people with less than a lawyers salary of money to waste isn't important to the convers

The fact that the justice system is so inefficient that it doesn't serve people with less than a lawyers salary of money to waste isn't important to the conversation of whether it's fair or not for someone to ignore licensing and repackage your code as an "AI". If you want to talk about the big picture here, it's about privatizing gains and socializing losses, the goal of every bigcorp, which is just more reason to disallow this abuse.

sillysaurusx 4y ago
Of course it’s material to the conversation whether people have resources in practice to use the tools of the justice system. It’s why small claims court is a powerful tool compared to a wrongful termination suit. What you’re asking for is going to only benefit corporations. They’re the sole entities that will be able to afford the regulation you’re proposing. It’s not even a hypothetical concern. Much of my notability came from books3, which contains almost 200,000 books, and is freely available to anyone. https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1320282149329784833?s=46&t=ZceDjnwKCrgh4jGkdKpP1w https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1320282149329784833?s=4... I couldn’t train a GPT competitor without that. Neither could you. But corporations could.
- smolder 4y ago
  It should be up to the rights-holders what they allow their works to be used for. That way, I can say, "no, Microsoft, you can't pay me enough to allow your bot to train on my works" and at the same time allow you to train books3, thus taking power away from MS. If the rights-holders have no say, the barrier to entry is having big stacks of computers, and big corps win by default already.
  - sillysaurusx 4y ago
    For what it’s worth, it was shockingly easy to get access to big stacks of computers, as someone who had very few resources. I hardly had money for IVF, let alone a supercomputer. TRC (TPU research cloud) makes supercomputers freely available to anyone who will put them to good use. Like, literally you. You don’t even have to have a clear research goal for general access. It was one of the big surprises of getting into AI. I didn’t expect that at all. Even without TRC, compute is only getting exponentially cheaper. A 1.5B ChatGPT may sound puny, but I’ve seen how powerful the non-chat variants are.
arp242 4y ago
The justice system is not going to change any time soon, and you can't ignore it. So that is the reality in which we must operate. Besides, it's not as simple as "the justice system sucks", because much of the time it's just a matter of not wanting the headache, and lawsuits will bring headaches in any justice system.

sillysaurusx 4y ago

Of course it’s material to the conversation whether people have resources in practice to use the tools of the justice system. It’s why small claims court is a powerful tool compared to a wrongful termination suit. What you’re asking for is going to only benefit corporations. They’re the sole entities that will be able to afford the regulation you’re proposing. It’s not even a hypothetical concern. Much of my notability came from books3, which contains almost 200,000 books, and is freely available to anyone. https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1320282149329784833?s=46&t=ZceDjnwKCrgh4jGkdKpP1w https://twitter.com/theshawwn/status/1320282149329784833?s=4... I couldn’t train a GPT competitor without that. Neither could you. But corporations could.

smolder 4y ago
It should be up to the rights-holders what they allow their works to be used for. That way, I can say, "no, Microsoft, you can't pay me enough to allow your bot to train on my works" and at the same time allow you to train books3, thus taking power away from MS. If the rights-holders have no say, the barrier to entry is having big stacks of computers, and big corps win by default already.
- sillysaurusx 4y ago
  For what it’s worth, it was shockingly easy to get access to big stacks of computers, as someone who had very few resources. I hardly had money for IVF, let alone a supercomputer. TRC (TPU research cloud) makes supercomputers freely available to anyone who will put them to good use. Like, literally you. You don’t even have to have a clear research goal for general access. It was one of the big surprises of getting into AI. I didn’t expect that at all. Even without TRC, compute is only getting exponentially cheaper. A 1.5B ChatGPT may sound puny, but I’ve seen how powerful the non-chat variants are.

arp242 4y ago

The justice system is not going to change any time soon, and you can't ignore it. So that is the reality in which we must operate. Besides, it's not as simple as "the justice system sucks", because much of the time it's just a matter of not wanting the headache, and lawsuits will bring headaches in any justice system.