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> You would've had to have spent quite a lot fo time just writing up the requirements that it would've been as easy to do some other way. I have to do that wit

> You would've had to have spent quite a lot fo time just writing up the requirements that it would've been as easy to do some other way. I have to do that with human team members as well. People have to either listen or read what has to be done. Like said; it's the same brief I gave human programmers that it had as input. Edit: not to mention, I have to spend far less on that as well; chatgpt generates better, well written briefs from a few words, including pseudo code, boilterplate + failing tests that should succeed when done and possible directions to attack a problem. It helps human programmers understand hard problems better and solve them faster. > It's something I could do with swagger in 5 minutes as well, you don't need an AI to generate boilerplate code. It doesn't just generate boilerplate code, it generates everything. Functional code including all logic, database interactions, api interactions, transformations + tests. > ,know what the job entails or is worth? You seem to be triggered, why? Being rusty at a programming language/framework has zero to do with what it entails or is worth; it will be more or less the same in other languages/frameworks I'm not rusty at. Rusty here means; I forgot some of the language/framework functions to do things (like, make a database model in this particular ORM); that doesn't, in any way, make it difficult to estimate the work. Not only that; I said others (as in 3rdparty) estimated it from $1500-$3500, not me. I estimated it to far less, even being rusty. But not to as little as I got it done with chatgpt. > I mean you have clients, and you're pasting code from ChatGPT into source control and people are paying you for this? Yes, and I tell them how it's done. They don't care how it's done, as long as it's done. This particular client asked me last week how to invest in AI products because of what I showed them (I sent them a PDF with the prompts and responses for doing that particular micro service). But each their own... My team gained super powers with this (and with copilot as well); if it doesn't work for you, that's fine. In my experience, it's already better than most people I ever worked with (that's probably the client base I work with ; large corps).

bamboozled 4y ago
You seem to be triggered, why? Because I wish it worked as good as you said it did so I wasn't working right now. On the other hand, you're the first person I know of who has actually been replaced by an AI (although you don't know it yet) :) Because the second the large corp you work for realizes they can just type the inputs into ChatGPT instead of you, you're contract will be dissolved. In fact, it sounds like you're being disingenuous charging them for work when in fact they could just be paying OpenAI? What value are you adding ?
- tluyben2 4y ago
  > you're the first person I know of who has actually been replaced by an AI (although you don't know it yet) I think there are many; I know I will be, and always known that (my father always told me from when I saw my first computer begin 80s that it will happen some day; as in the 70s/80s they believed it was imminent). I studied AI in the 90s AI winter and didn't think we would get here in my life because of the bleak outlook back then. I will be replaced as a programmer quite quickly (although there is a lot it cannot do; in the embedded space, it performs horribly for instance; it also cannot find solutions to actual complex problems; most of everyone here is not doing any of that though), but not as a product manager or tech lead. That will eventually happen as well. > In fact, it sounds like you're being disingenuous charging them for work when in fact they could just be paying OpenAI? What value are you adding ? Like most clients, they don't know what they want, at all. They have a vague idea and that needs to be translated into a working product. And scale. And be maintainable. Etc etc. That AI cannot do (yet). It'll come, but to code something like 'we want to make a sort of crm mixed with support mixed with uber for outbound sales' and then knowing what to ask and getting that far enough to get to a product that works and adds value is still far off. This thread and article is about coding and I believe that is, for a large part of what people are doing daily now, done.
  - bamboozled 4y ago
    Obviously we're working on very different problems because for 90% of the code I'm working on, I have not been able to use it for any real purpose.
    - tluyben2 4y ago
      What type of work do you do? I use it for web/app stuff; for embedded, proofs, pl r&d etc it doesn’t really work so that’s still manual. That’s just not what I make most money with.
- tluyben2 4y ago
  > Because I wish it worked as good as you said it did so I wasn't working right now. It's all in the prompting; I use [0] and a version of [1] with some other tooling to instruct it, add my style and other context in the session and have /chatcommands that add (quite elaborate) prompts to get it to do what I want. I use different iterations of this playground for many things I do. [0] https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-api https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-api [1] https://github.com/tluyben/chatgpt-playground https://github.com/tluyben/chatgpt-playground

bamboozled 4y ago

You seem to be triggered, why? Because I wish it worked as good as you said it did so I wasn't working right now. On the other hand, you're the first person I know of who has actually been replaced by an AI (although you don't know it yet) :) Because the second the large corp you work for realizes they can just type the inputs into ChatGPT instead of you, you're contract will be dissolved. In fact, it sounds like you're being disingenuous charging them for work when in fact they could just be paying OpenAI? What value are you adding ?

tluyben2 4y ago
> you're the first person I know of who has actually been replaced by an AI (although you don't know it yet) I think there are many; I know I will be, and always known that (my father always told me from when I saw my first computer begin 80s that it will happen some day; as in the 70s/80s they believed it was imminent). I studied AI in the 90s AI winter and didn't think we would get here in my life because of the bleak outlook back then. I will be replaced as a programmer quite quickly (although there is a lot it cannot do; in the embedded space, it performs horribly for instance; it also cannot find solutions to actual complex problems; most of everyone here is not doing any of that though), but not as a product manager or tech lead. That will eventually happen as well. > In fact, it sounds like you're being disingenuous charging them for work when in fact they could just be paying OpenAI? What value are you adding ? Like most clients, they don't know what they want, at all. They have a vague idea and that needs to be translated into a working product. And scale. And be maintainable. Etc etc. That AI cannot do (yet). It'll come, but to code something like 'we want to make a sort of crm mixed with support mixed with uber for outbound sales' and then knowing what to ask and getting that far enough to get to a product that works and adds value is still far off. This thread and article is about coding and I believe that is, for a large part of what people are doing daily now, done.
- bamboozled 4y ago
  Obviously we're working on very different problems because for 90% of the code I'm working on, I have not been able to use it for any real purpose.
  - tluyben2 4y ago
    What type of work do you do? I use it for web/app stuff; for embedded, proofs, pl r&d etc it doesn’t really work so that’s still manual. That’s just not what I make most money with.
tluyben2 4y ago
> Because I wish it worked as good as you said it did so I wasn't working right now. It's all in the prompting; I use [0] and a version of [1] with some other tooling to instruct it, add my style and other context in the session and have /chatcommands that add (quite elaborate) prompts to get it to do what I want. I use different iterations of this playground for many things I do. [0] https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-api https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/chatgpt-api [1] https://github.com/tluyben/chatgpt-playground https://github.com/tluyben/chatgpt-playground