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Japan has explicitly amended their copyright code to enable machine learning on copyrighted data.[0] [0]https://storialaw.jp/en/service/bigdata/bigdata-12 https

by gene-h 4y ago

Japan has explicitly amended their copyright code to enable machine learning on copyrighted data.[0] [0]https://storialaw.jp/en/service/bigdata/bigdata-12 https://storialaw.jp/en/service/bigdata/bigdata-12

zone411 4y ago
Very interesting! This would give Japan a real competitive productivity advantage if ML tools are banned or severely hampered elsewhere. It would also mean that other countries would need to ban not just scraping but also the resulting code or AI-generated media.
- bombolo 4y ago
  I'm sure chatgpt would be of much less interest worldwide if it only spoke japanese.
  - zone411 4y ago
    Doesn't follow. Why would a tool built in Japan limit itself to Japanese? ChatGPT doesn't limit itself to English.
    - bombolo 4y ago
      To export you must abide to the laws of the country you're exporting to.
      - kragen 4y ago
        your novel theory of extraterritorial jurisdiction will no doubt be very interesting to trips litigators afaik asahi v. superior court is still governing precedent in the usa though so it won't be of any interest to domestic litigators in the usa
        bombolo 4y ago
        Perhaps you can't read words? Extraterritorial jurisdiction? You sell stuff to country A, you comply with laws of country A. Which is why USA companies have to take GRPR into account. You make an illegal model for country A? Can't sell it there.
        zone411 4y ago
        You wouldn't sell the model, you would sell its outputs. I can legally buy products made by factories in Bangladesh that would violate all sorts of laws if they were operating in the U.S. It will be for international trade agreements to determine.
        bombolo 4y ago
        You mean operate in a legal grey area and shut down when the loophole is closed
bootsmann 4y ago
So has the EU as part of the digital single market changes in 2019 (The so-called Text and Data mining exceptions)
- bombolo 4y ago
  Not really. Well they allow mining the data but nothing is said about the copyright of the collage output.
  - zone411 4y ago
    "The collage output"? What?
  - kragen 4y ago
    your novel theory of how diffusion models work will no doubt be of great interest to deep learning researchers
    - bombolo 4y ago
      requires training data: yes occasionally outputs training data verbatim: yes verbatim output is somehow not a copyright violation: ???
tnzk 4y ago
> although the laws of foreign countries have provisions with the same effect as Article 47-7 of Japan’s Copyright Act, all of which limit use to development for non-commercial purposes and development by research organizations It reads like there's a bunch of countries that have similar legislation, interesting though.

by gene-h 4y ago

zone411 4y ago

Very interesting! This would give Japan a real competitive productivity advantage if ML tools are banned or severely hampered elsewhere. It would also mean that other countries would need to ban not just scraping but also the resulting code or AI-generated media.

bombolo 4y ago
I'm sure chatgpt would be of much less interest worldwide if it only spoke japanese.
- zone411 4y ago
  Doesn't follow. Why would a tool built in Japan limit itself to Japanese? ChatGPT doesn't limit itself to English.
  - bombolo 4y ago
    To export you must abide to the laws of the country you're exporting to.
    - kragen 4y ago
      your novel theory of extraterritorial jurisdiction will no doubt be very interesting to trips litigators afaik asahi v. superior court is still governing precedent in the usa though so it won't be of any interest to domestic litigators in the usa
      - bombolo 4y ago
        Perhaps you can't read words? Extraterritorial jurisdiction? You sell stuff to country A, you comply with laws of country A. Which is why USA companies have to take GRPR into account. You make an illegal model for country A? Can't sell it there.
        zone411 4y ago
        You wouldn't sell the model, you would sell its outputs. I can legally buy products made by factories in Bangladesh that would violate all sorts of laws if they were operating in the U.S. It will be for international trade agreements to determine.
        bombolo 4y ago
        You mean operate in a legal grey area and shut down when the loophole is closed

bootsmann 4y ago

So has the EU as part of the digital single market changes in 2019 (The so-called Text and Data mining exceptions)

bombolo 4y ago
Not really. Well they allow mining the data but nothing is said about the copyright of the collage output.
- zone411 4y ago
  "The collage output"? What?
- kragen 4y ago
  your novel theory of how diffusion models work will no doubt be of great interest to deep learning researchers
  - bombolo 4y ago
    requires training data: yes occasionally outputs training data verbatim: yes verbatim output is somehow not a copyright violation: ???

tnzk 4y ago

> although the laws of foreign countries have provisions with the same effect as Article 47-7 of Japan’s Copyright Act, all of which limit use to development for non-commercial purposes and development by research organizations It reads like there's a bunch of countries that have similar legislation, interesting though.