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There are no answers other than go update your resume and find a new job. Managers find low performers, directors find low performers, vp's find low performers

There are no answers other than go update your resume and find a new job. Managers find low performers, directors find low performers, vp's find low performers and they all get axed. Your just a name on a list unless someone protects you. Google and others IMO are just following a trend that in the long run will hurt them in the long term for for future hires. They'll just have to buy companies to acquire talent like IBM has done. Sucks losing any job, but learn from it and find something better.

firstfewshells 4y ago
Google enjoys a cult like status in people from a certain south asian country which idolizes "prestige" and also produces millions of software engineers a year. I don't think they will have any trouble recruiting people.
- John23832 4y ago
  Unless they’re expecting to repatriate to that certain south asian country, they’re going to need to protect some reputation at home.
- phendrenad2 4y ago
  When people idolize things, they put that thing on a pedestal, and as soon as that thing slips up, they quickly abandon it. Google's first layoff probably isn't enough to damage its image, but if they don't keep that mystique and aura of prestige, they could find their fanbase drying up.
- b212 4y ago
  But out of those millions how many are Google material or can be decent devs by western standards? From my experience the working culture of India stays in direct opposition to the working culture of the US. So even the best devs might be often not good enough due to cultural differences unless they’re naturalized or truly exceptional in one way or another (a few out of every 100k?).
  - bagacrap 4y ago
    I agree the cultures are different and I think more Indian people are driven into the field of software who perhaps shouldn't be there based on natural inclinations, but I disagree strongly as to the degree to which this is an issue
  - firstfewshells 4y ago
    Google's "standard" till L4 is just leetcode. Average college students in that country are cramming 1000 leetcode questions. Even if 5% are decent, however you define decent to be, that's 50K engineers.
kaczordon 4y ago
RIF’s also involve a random element so that the distribution of people let go is sufficiently equal among age sex etc to avoid lawsuits.
tylerhou 4y ago
Managers and even directors allegedly did not know who would be laid off until it happened.
- sumoboy 4y ago
  Right out of the HR playbook, manager fires resources, directors fires managers, vp's fires directors. Everyone let go is pointing fingers at each other. Company loyalty has been a joke for the past two decades, just something you should expect.

firstfewshells 4y ago

Google enjoys a cult like status in people from a certain south asian country which idolizes "prestige" and also produces millions of software engineers a year. I don't think they will have any trouble recruiting people.

John23832 4y ago
Unless they’re expecting to repatriate to that certain south asian country, they’re going to need to protect some reputation at home.
phendrenad2 4y ago
When people idolize things, they put that thing on a pedestal, and as soon as that thing slips up, they quickly abandon it. Google's first layoff probably isn't enough to damage its image, but if they don't keep that mystique and aura of prestige, they could find their fanbase drying up.
b212 4y ago
But out of those millions how many are Google material or can be decent devs by western standards? From my experience the working culture of India stays in direct opposition to the working culture of the US. So even the best devs might be often not good enough due to cultural differences unless they’re naturalized or truly exceptional in one way or another (a few out of every 100k?).
- bagacrap 4y ago
  I agree the cultures are different and I think more Indian people are driven into the field of software who perhaps shouldn't be there based on natural inclinations, but I disagree strongly as to the degree to which this is an issue
- firstfewshells 4y ago
  Google's "standard" till L4 is just leetcode. Average college students in that country are cramming 1000 leetcode questions. Even if 5% are decent, however you define decent to be, that's 50K engineers.

kaczordon 4y ago

RIF’s also involve a random element so that the distribution of people let go is sufficiently equal among age sex etc to avoid lawsuits.

tylerhou 4y ago

Managers and even directors allegedly did not know who would be laid off until it happened.

sumoboy 4y ago
Right out of the HR playbook, manager fires resources, directors fires managers, vp's fires directors. Everyone let go is pointing fingers at each other. Company loyalty has been a joke for the past two decades, just something you should expect.