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You missed my point. I personally don't care about what you care or don't care about. Do what you want. I'm just gonna care about shit that matters to me and mo

by _8j50 4y ago

You missed my point. I personally don't care about what you care or don't care about. Do what you want. I'm just gonna care about shit that matters to me and most people are this way as well. It's a luxury to worry about even how our owen lives and wellbeing will be a decade from now and you expect people to care about the planet in 2050 lol. Ideals are cute but get real if you want real change.

dahart 4y ago
You’re right, I did miss your point. How can you expect any change if nobody has ideals? You’re effectively arguing to keep the status quo by trying to make fun of people who care. You didn’t answer the important question: what can you and I do to make it better? If the goals in this thread aren’t valid in your opinion, then please offer some goals that are worthwhile. What, exactly, do you mean by “get real if you want real change”? What is “real change”, and who’s going to make it? BTW, are you saying you don’t believe that deforestation, rising temperatures, and extreme weather caused by climate change is having any effect on human suffering? You seem to be making some unstated assumptions when you suggest that caring about the planet isn’t “real”. You also seem to assume that we can’t work on more than one problem at a time. To me it seems like there are enough people that we might have the ability to address environmental issues in parallel with social, financial, and political issues. Does everyone need to care about the planet? Maybe not. So what’s wrong with some people working to reduce global warming while others work to, say, end the war in Ukraine, or reduce poverty in China, or end death by hunger or Malaria in Africa?
- _8j50 4y ago
  > what can you and I do to make it better? Again, missing the point. You are thinking in ideals and big pictures, missing the forest for the trees. > BTW, are you saying you don’t believe that deforestation, rising temperatures, and extreme weather caused by climate change is having any effect on human suffering? You seem to be making some unstated assumptions when you suggest that caring about the planet isn’t “real”. Now how could you have possible come to that conclusion based on anything I said. Let me use this to try and explain again: Do you want someone in rural arkansas to give a shit about global warming? Then find a way to help them get out of poverty. Do you want amazon tribal people getting evicted for deforestation to care about ukraine? Help them fight to keep their land and forest. Yoh want a black person in inner city LA to care about ukraine? You specifically must show them how you are helping fight homelessness and police brutality, Your big picture pleas for people to give a shit fall on deaf or apathetic ears because you are not addressing specific individual or group needs. > You also seem to assume that we can’t work on more than one problem at a time. Actually, I am saying the opposite of that. Most people do want things for everyone as a whole to improve. That isn't the same as giving a shit, as in voting, donating and acting to improve others' situation. That's why global warming isn't front and center in politics in most places that aren't wealthy. You see people like Greta portesting climate change, from nice northern european countries or wealthy counties in the US. If you want change, other people have to actively care. Look at global warming again, yeah, it would be nice if that didn't happen. Personally, I don't even bother to vote because I have no problems that will solve. It's not that I don't care about global warming but that much more immediate and bigger things are not getting attention so I am not gonna give a shit because I have my own plate full on too of which I see a myriad of more immediate problems like chold sex slavery and human abuse right here in major US cities rampant, rape kits going back decades backlogged, deeply corrupt police I mean I fear going outdoors in the event I interact with a police officer and have my life ruined, and you have our country (US) headed for a civil so there is always that and much more. So yeah, I already survive major natural disasters and pandemics fine, being alive 10-20 years from now is a crazy idea for me, I hope you all make it ok but global warming then is more of a concern than an asteriod hitting earth or the sun dying in 20 million years nowhere near a million other things. The solution from you: actually adjust your priority to give a shit about more immediate and impactful things for others near you, whoever they might be and since you are doing something for them they will care. For me, my problems are my own I don't ask help from anyone but as far as others go: bring back cruel and public punishments for indisputably proven child abusers andn traffickers, let the goal of punishment be prevention where the very tought of the crime becomes unimaginable. No more hiding behind "it's not humane", these people chose to forfeit their humanity and humane treatment. Can't stomach that, then as much as it is one of my top things I care about let us all give up our privacy and have our digital and physical lives constantly monitored to prevent this. This must end now, at all costs. There is nothing more important that protecting the most innocent membersof society. A society that draws a line at preventing their abuse, especially at such a large scale deserves to be destroyed. Tell me you will help with that and I will do anything I can to help you with whatever priority you think is higher. I hope I am explaining myself better. For a long time I used to arrogantly think that my problems were special. That even the very idea of a future decades from now seems imaginary at best. What I learned is how many if not most people are doing worse than me and any problem I have, 10s of millions have them also. I too would want climate change prevented or less light pollution and less bees dying off and all that but understand that others have a wildly different perspective than you resulting in a different priority for them. Your concerns are valid, however they are yours. Many of us are not in a position where the future of humanity is a big priority. Even just being alive now making it this far is a miracle and beyond that I am not sure humanity even deserves to survive, if justice for the most innocent and peace for anyone that seeks truth earnestly and loves justice are not the biggest priority for this species then why should humanity even survive (self included of course)? Not only is destruction certain, by collective priority we have earned it by any measure of justice.

by _8j50 4y ago

dahart 4y ago

You’re right, I did miss your point. How can you expect any change if nobody has ideals? You’re effectively arguing to keep the status quo by trying to make fun of people who care. You didn’t answer the important question: what can you and I do to make it better? If the goals in this thread aren’t valid in your opinion, then please offer some goals that are worthwhile. What, exactly, do you mean by “get real if you want real change”? What is “real change”, and who’s going to make it? BTW, are you saying you don’t believe that deforestation, rising temperatures, and extreme weather caused by climate change is having any effect on human suffering? You seem to be making some unstated assumptions when you suggest that caring about the planet isn’t “real”. You also seem to assume that we can’t work on more than one problem at a time. To me it seems like there are enough people that we might have the ability to address environmental issues in parallel with social, financial, and political issues. Does everyone need to care about the planet? Maybe not. So what’s wrong with some people working to reduce global warming while others work to, say, end the war in Ukraine, or reduce poverty in China, or end death by hunger or Malaria in Africa?

_8j50 4y ago
> what can you and I do to make it better? Again, missing the point. You are thinking in ideals and big pictures, missing the forest for the trees. > BTW, are you saying you don’t believe that deforestation, rising temperatures, and extreme weather caused by climate change is having any effect on human suffering? You seem to be making some unstated assumptions when you suggest that caring about the planet isn’t “real”. Now how could you have possible come to that conclusion based on anything I said. Let me use this to try and explain again: Do you want someone in rural arkansas to give a shit about global warming? Then find a way to help them get out of poverty. Do you want amazon tribal people getting evicted for deforestation to care about ukraine? Help them fight to keep their land and forest. Yoh want a black person in inner city LA to care about ukraine? You specifically must show them how you are helping fight homelessness and police brutality, Your big picture pleas for people to give a shit fall on deaf or apathetic ears because you are not addressing specific individual or group needs. > You also seem to assume that we can’t work on more than one problem at a time. Actually, I am saying the opposite of that. Most people do want things for everyone as a whole to improve. That isn't the same as giving a shit, as in voting, donating and acting to improve others' situation. That's why global warming isn't front and center in politics in most places that aren't wealthy. You see people like Greta portesting climate change, from nice northern european countries or wealthy counties in the US. If you want change, other people have to actively care. Look at global warming again, yeah, it would be nice if that didn't happen. Personally, I don't even bother to vote because I have no problems that will solve. It's not that I don't care about global warming but that much more immediate and bigger things are not getting attention so I am not gonna give a shit because I have my own plate full on too of which I see a myriad of more immediate problems like chold sex slavery and human abuse right here in major US cities rampant, rape kits going back decades backlogged, deeply corrupt police I mean I fear going outdoors in the event I interact with a police officer and have my life ruined, and you have our country (US) headed for a civil so there is always that and much more. So yeah, I already survive major natural disasters and pandemics fine, being alive 10-20 years from now is a crazy idea for me, I hope you all make it ok but global warming then is more of a concern than an asteriod hitting earth or the sun dying in 20 million years nowhere near a million other things. The solution from you: actually adjust your priority to give a shit about more immediate and impactful things for others near you, whoever they might be and since you are doing something for them they will care. For me, my problems are my own I don't ask help from anyone but as far as others go: bring back cruel and public punishments for indisputably proven child abusers andn traffickers, let the goal of punishment be prevention where the very tought of the crime becomes unimaginable. No more hiding behind "it's not humane", these people chose to forfeit their humanity and humane treatment. Can't stomach that, then as much as it is one of my top things I care about let us all give up our privacy and have our digital and physical lives constantly monitored to prevent this. This must end now, at all costs. There is nothing more important that protecting the most innocent membersof society. A society that draws a line at preventing their abuse, especially at such a large scale deserves to be destroyed. Tell me you will help with that and I will do anything I can to help you with whatever priority you think is higher. I hope I am explaining myself better. For a long time I used to arrogantly think that my problems were special. That even the very idea of a future decades from now seems imaginary at best. What I learned is how many if not most people are doing worse than me and any problem I have, 10s of millions have them also. I too would want climate change prevented or less light pollution and less bees dying off and all that but understand that others have a wildly different perspective than you resulting in a different priority for them. Your concerns are valid, however they are yours. Many of us are not in a position where the future of humanity is a big priority. Even just being alive now making it this far is a miracle and beyond that I am not sure humanity even deserves to survive, if justice for the most innocent and peace for anyone that seeks truth earnestly and loves justice are not the biggest priority for this species then why should humanity even survive (self included of course)? Not only is destruction certain, by collective priority we have earned it by any measure of justice.