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They bought a whole bunch of these and other things... Too bad for the Taiwanese that all this kit is going now to Ukraine... Taiwanese weaponry backlog is grow

by dh2022 4y ago

They bought a whole bunch of these and other things... Too bad for the Taiwanese that all this kit is going now to Ukraine... Taiwanese weaponry backlog is growing month by month [1]. Another way China benefits from Ukraine-Russian war. https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2022-12/2022-12-06-Senator-Hawley-Letter-to-Blinken.pdf https://www.hawley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2022-12/20...

katmannthree 4y ago
Ahh yes, and that letter is worth taking very seriously because Josh Hawley definitely has no possible ulterior motives regarding limiting aid to Ukraine as a way to help a certain group of people he runs with.
ceejayoz 4y ago
A false dichotomy from an insurrectionist (and the only Senator to oppose 95-1 both Sweden and Finland's entry into NATO). The American military-industrial complex is entirely capable of ramping up to meet production needs for both, especially in the time China would need to build up a D-Day style amphibious invasion capacity.
- xtian 4y ago
  Why haven’t they done so yet? "Navy Secretary Warns: If Defense Industry Can’t Boost Production, Arming Both Ukraine and the US May Become ‘Challenging’" https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/01/navy-secretary-warns-if-defense-industry-cant-boost-production-arming-both-ukraine-and-us-may-become-challenging/381722/ https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/01/navy-secretary-wa...
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Because they don't have to, yet. It's an "if", and it's a big "if". IMO, the US should publicly commit to a solid order for a very large number of the weapon systems Taiwan and Ukraine would likely need in an extended double conflict. We saw in COVID (with things like tests) that "we need a billion of X, but we'll dribble out the order in much smaller quantities" tends to make industry leery of evaporating demand after making big capital investments.
    - xtian 4y ago
      They don’t have to yet? Here’s CSIS estimating the replacement time for various weapons transferred to Ukraine: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmc_WJsWAAUP8GL?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmc_WJsWAAUP8GL?format=jpg&name=...
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        C’mon, this lesson is as old as Yamamoto. Current production and “oh shit it’s a war” production are not the same. We can ramp up Javelins faster than China can amass landing craft in numbers large enough to make invasion feasible.
        xtian 4y ago
        I’m assuming that’s because of America’s deep base of industrial expertise and infrastructure as compared to that of China.
        runnerup 4y ago
        Indeed. Americans often seem to keep re-telling themselves the narratives of WW2. "America builds lots of cheap, effective equipment faster than our opponents." Except today, we build huge, complex, expensive equipment much slower than others. China would completely swamp our manufacturing. However, they only have a small stockpile of the raw goods needed to keep up their current manufacturing levels. Even for something as basic as steel, which China's overwhelming dominance in is widely known...they are very limited by foreign imports of iron (75% of their domestic consumption of iron is provided by Australia). If China had to stop imports from Western nations, its war material production capacity would probably drop by about 75% after its 30-90 day stockpile of raw materials was used up. How much America's production suffer without good from China? Probably fairly catastrophic as well, but more especially in the long run as industrial parts break and need replacement. The resultant domestic shortages and inflation here would quickly ruin our populations appetite for any major trade war over a small foreign island.

by dh2022 4y ago

katmannthree 4y ago

Ahh yes, and that letter is worth taking very seriously because Josh Hawley definitely has no possible ulterior motives regarding limiting aid to Ukraine as a way to help a certain group of people he runs with.

ceejayoz 4y ago

A false dichotomy from an insurrectionist (and the only Senator to oppose 95-1 both Sweden and Finland's entry into NATO). The American military-industrial complex is entirely capable of ramping up to meet production needs for both, especially in the time China would need to build up a D-Day style amphibious invasion capacity.

xtian 4y ago
Why haven’t they done so yet? "Navy Secretary Warns: If Defense Industry Can’t Boost Production, Arming Both Ukraine and the US May Become ‘Challenging’" https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/01/navy-secretary-warns-if-defense-industry-cant-boost-production-arming-both-ukraine-and-us-may-become-challenging/381722/ https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/01/navy-secretary-wa...
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  Because they don't have to, yet. It's an "if", and it's a big "if". IMO, the US should publicly commit to a solid order for a very large number of the weapon systems Taiwan and Ukraine would likely need in an extended double conflict. We saw in COVID (with things like tests) that "we need a billion of X, but we'll dribble out the order in much smaller quantities" tends to make industry leery of evaporating demand after making big capital investments.
  - xtian 4y ago
    They don’t have to yet? Here’s CSIS estimating the replacement time for various weapons transferred to Ukraine: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmc_WJsWAAUP8GL?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fmc_WJsWAAUP8GL?format=jpg&name=...
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      C’mon, this lesson is as old as Yamamoto. Current production and “oh shit it’s a war” production are not the same. We can ramp up Javelins faster than China can amass landing craft in numbers large enough to make invasion feasible.
      - xtian 4y ago
        I’m assuming that’s because of America’s deep base of industrial expertise and infrastructure as compared to that of China.
        runnerup 4y ago
        Indeed. Americans often seem to keep re-telling themselves the narratives of WW2. "America builds lots of cheap, effective equipment faster than our opponents." Except today, we build huge, complex, expensive equipment much slower than others. China would completely swamp our manufacturing. However, they only have a small stockpile of the raw goods needed to keep up their current manufacturing levels. Even for something as basic as steel, which China's overwhelming dominance in is widely known...they are very limited by foreign imports of iron (75% of their domestic consumption of iron is provided by Australia). If China had to stop imports from Western nations, its war material production capacity would probably drop by about 75% after its 30-90 day stockpile of raw materials was used up. How much America's production suffer without good from China? Probably fairly catastrophic as well, but more especially in the long run as industrial parts break and need replacement. The resultant domestic shortages and inflation here would quickly ruin our populations appetite for any major trade war over a small foreign island.