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You mean Meta right? Otherwise it just sounds like you haven’t been following the field.

by baby 4y ago

esskay 4y ago
Not op, and not to be rude but honestly sounds like you maybe haven't. Meta's bleeding right now. Their attempt at Metaverse is failing hard. Meanwhile we've got Apple coming along with thier extremely efficient in-house chip architecture thats about to release a lightweight headset with performance that blows away anything Meta has, not to mention an existing ecosystem that it will slot right into. Outside of Meta everybody knows the 'Metaverse' (i.e in the form as 'Meta' themselves describe it) is a truely awful concept that clearly is not gaining popularity or any kind of desire from the general public. Based on the leaks we pretty much know that Apples already cracked full body tracking, eye tracking, has a SIGNIFICANTLY lighter design and higher battery life. Hardware wise it'll make everything Metas produced look pretty archaic. Then it comes to software and app ecosystem. I don't think theres even a debate to be had here. Meta vs Apple would be laughably one sided.
- zmmmmm 4y ago
  Meta is investing heavily, not "bleeding". The true test of their plans will be in 12-24 months when all this investment is supposed to surface. > Based on the leaks we pretty much know that Apples already cracked full body tracking, eye tracking ... Based on the leaks we know that Apple has struggled to deliver a working product at all having repeatedly delayed then scaled back then canceled whole product areas. On the other hand, based on Meta's openly visible work at their labs (literally iniviting journalists to tour and try it out) we know they have cracked key areas that can potentially revolutionise the field in a few years. I do think Apple's product is going to be enormously successful and state of the art. But the most likely outcome is what Zuckerberg is shooting for - a repeat of the iOS vs Android playbook but this time with him in control of the open OS but without being at the mercy of OEMs and without the horrific fragementation issues.
uptown 4y ago
This is how Zuckerberg sees the metaverse: “We hope to basically get to around a billion people in the metaverse doing hundreds of dollars of commerce, each buying digital goods, digital content, different things to express themselves, so whether that’s clothing for their avatar or different digital goods for their virtual home or things to decorate their virtual conference room, utilities to be able to be more productive in virtual and augmented reality and across the metaverse overall” This type of commerce is all useless nonsense. If his measure of Metaverse success is hitting some mark for how much money he intends to extract from a user it's not a winning strategy.
- sys_64738 4y ago
  It sounds as useless as Second Life. Whatever happened to that!
- electrondood 4y ago
  Digital clothing for my avatar sounds about as useless as an NFT for a picture of an ape that I could just right-click and save.
- kumarvvr 4y ago
  Wow. He basically exoects ua to buy virtual clothes? Whats next? A digital washing machine to wash the digital clothes? And, whats with the amping up of avatars? It basically becomes a game like WoW. And, why would anyone want to be in the metaverse, when a conference call suits well enough for most work? What does having a virtual and augmented world bring to the table actually?
- mattigames 4y ago
  It's astounding how disconnected he is from reality, maybe having one hugely successful idea (FB in his case) drastically distort how you perceive the potential of succeeding of any other of your ideas.
- charcircuit 4y ago
  Keep in mind this is from a phone call with investors. Investors do care about how much money you think an investment will make.
sys_64738 4y ago
No, I mean Apple. There's such a vast number of Apple fans who will buy whatever Apple put out in this space, I reckon. If anybody can make it succeed then it's Apple. Facebook is distrusted by everybody these days so I don't think it has the wherewithal to make it as people value their privacy more than they let on.
- mshake2 4y ago
  I don't think even the loyalty of Apple customers will overcome VR. I own a VR headset and the drawbacks that cannot be fixed with engineering make them very uncool. It's not cool to have a sweaty acne-producing pair of goggles strapped to your head. It's not cool to need to use a UI to resume experiencing actual reality. The form factor of VR, even after hypothetical improvements, is still clunky and fragile. If Apple actually ships anything in this space, I'm convinced it will be a huge misstep.
FridgeSeal 4y ago
Surely nobody really takes…whatever Meta has been doing in VR seriously? Their VR demos look awful, last report I heard was employees didn’t even want to use it or touch it, oculus has done basically nothing except burn customer goodwill.
- baby 4y ago
  Really? I had a Quest, lots of my friends as well, I don’t know anyone who hasn’t been mind blown by VR after experiencing it
  - FridgeSeal 4y ago
    I have one friend who has a VR headset, and basically everyone who’s used it has gone “oh that’s neat” and enjoyed it for 30 mins, and then never had any further interest in it. It’s fun enough, sure, but it’s heavy, sweaty, weirdly isolating and far too expensive for what it is. There aren’t enough games or utilities, and none of them are amazingly compelling. The controls are still janky. The idea of multiplayer is basically a no-go, as it requires everyone to have them (see price) and then have a computer powerful enough to drive it (see cost of GPU’s). A good chunk of my friends don’t have amazing GPU’s, let alone VR-compatible GPU’a plus a headset.

You mean Meta right? Otherwise it just sounds like you haven’t been following the field.

by baby 4y ago

You mean Meta right? Otherwise it just sounds like you haven’t been following the field.

Not op, and not to be rude but honestly sounds like you maybe haven't. Meta's bleeding right now. Their attempt at Metaverse is failing hard. Meanwhile we've got Apple coming along with thier extremely efficient in-house chip architecture thats about to release a lightweight headset with performance that blows away anything Meta has, not to mention an existing ecosystem that it will slot right into. Outside of Meta everybody knows the 'Metaverse' (i.e in the form as 'Meta' themselves describe it) is a truely awful concept that clearly is not gaining popularity or any kind of desire from the general public. Based on the leaks we pretty much know that Apples already cracked full body tracking, eye tracking, has a SIGNIFICANTLY lighter design and higher battery life. Hardware wise it'll make everything Metas produced look pretty archaic. Then it comes to software and app ecosystem. I don't think theres even a debate to be had here. Meta vs Apple would be laughably one sided.

zmmmmm 4y ago
Meta is investing heavily, not "bleeding". The true test of their plans will be in 12-24 months when all this investment is supposed to surface. > Based on the leaks we pretty much know that Apples already cracked full body tracking, eye tracking ... Based on the leaks we know that Apple has struggled to deliver a working product at all having repeatedly delayed then scaled back then canceled whole product areas. On the other hand, based on Meta's openly visible work at their labs (literally iniviting journalists to tour and try it out) we know they have cracked key areas that can potentially revolutionise the field in a few years. I do think Apple's product is going to be enormously successful and state of the art. But the most likely outcome is what Zuckerberg is shooting for - a repeat of the iOS vs Android playbook but this time with him in control of the open OS but without being at the mercy of OEMs and without the horrific fragementation issues.

uptown 4y ago

This is how Zuckerberg sees the metaverse: “We hope to basically get to around a billion people in the metaverse doing hundreds of dollars of commerce, each buying digital goods, digital content, different things to express themselves, so whether that’s clothing for their avatar or different digital goods for their virtual home or things to decorate their virtual conference room, utilities to be able to be more productive in virtual and augmented reality and across the metaverse overall” This type of commerce is all useless nonsense. If his measure of Metaverse success is hitting some mark for how much money he intends to extract from a user it's not a winning strategy.

sys_64738 4y ago
It sounds as useless as Second Life. Whatever happened to that!
electrondood 4y ago
Digital clothing for my avatar sounds about as useless as an NFT for a picture of an ape that I could just right-click and save.
kumarvvr 4y ago
Wow. He basically exoects ua to buy virtual clothes? Whats next? A digital washing machine to wash the digital clothes? And, whats with the amping up of avatars? It basically becomes a game like WoW. And, why would anyone want to be in the metaverse, when a conference call suits well enough for most work? What does having a virtual and augmented world bring to the table actually?
mattigames 4y ago
It's astounding how disconnected he is from reality, maybe having one hugely successful idea (FB in his case) drastically distort how you perceive the potential of succeeding of any other of your ideas.
charcircuit 4y ago
Keep in mind this is from a phone call with investors. Investors do care about how much money you think an investment will make.

sys_64738 4y ago

No, I mean Apple. There's such a vast number of Apple fans who will buy whatever Apple put out in this space, I reckon. If anybody can make it succeed then it's Apple. Facebook is distrusted by everybody these days so I don't think it has the wherewithal to make it as people value their privacy more than they let on.

mshake2 4y ago
I don't think even the loyalty of Apple customers will overcome VR. I own a VR headset and the drawbacks that cannot be fixed with engineering make them very uncool. It's not cool to have a sweaty acne-producing pair of goggles strapped to your head. It's not cool to need to use a UI to resume experiencing actual reality. The form factor of VR, even after hypothetical improvements, is still clunky and fragile. If Apple actually ships anything in this space, I'm convinced it will be a huge misstep.

FridgeSeal 4y ago

Surely nobody really takes…whatever Meta has been doing in VR seriously? Their VR demos look awful, last report I heard was employees didn’t even want to use it or touch it, oculus has done basically nothing except burn customer goodwill.

baby 4y ago
Really? I had a Quest, lots of my friends as well, I don’t know anyone who hasn’t been mind blown by VR after experiencing it
- FridgeSeal 4y ago
  I have one friend who has a VR headset, and basically everyone who’s used it has gone “oh that’s neat” and enjoyed it for 30 mins, and then never had any further interest in it. It’s fun enough, sure, but it’s heavy, sweaty, weirdly isolating and far too expensive for what it is. There aren’t enough games or utilities, and none of them are amazingly compelling. The controls are still janky. The idea of multiplayer is basically a no-go, as it requires everyone to have them (see price) and then have a computer powerful enough to drive it (see cost of GPU’s). A good chunk of my friends don’t have amazing GPU’s, let alone VR-compatible GPU’a plus a headset.