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This is controversial of course, but I followed Kris Nova pretty closely and after some time I saw her trying to funnel her audience into a slack instance (or s
by dijit 4y ago
This is controversial of course, but I followed Kris Nova pretty closely and after some time I saw her trying to funnel her audience into a slack instance (or something like slack, might have been discord).
When I reviewed the rules, which I tend to take seriously I noticed that it said "We promote neurodiversity" and in the next line it says "don't be an asshole".
I understand that some people can see a distinction here. The problem I have with those two rules is that if you are a person who is autistic, your behaviour is seen by neurotypicals as "being an asshole", especially on text based mediums where communication is much more limited in context and less rich meta-communication like body language or tone.
When I pointed this out, I was blocked.
I can only gather that people want to be seen as inclusive, so they use things that are easily seen. That which is _not_ easily seen is ignored, like autism- though people will say they support people with it, I think they're not actually interested in understanding that autism isn't just being a bit anti-social, it's a mental illness and it can be difficult to live with! Another minor example of people not caring what cannot be seen: I don't see many people making a stink about economic background, but that is a massive differentiator in mental diversity.
- peppermint_gum 4y ago>When I reviewed the rules, which I tend to take seriously I noticed that it said "We promote neurodiversity" and in the next line it says "don't be an asshole". The only commonly tolerated, perhaps even celebrated, form of neurodiversity is asymptomatic depression.
- dijit 4y agoI think people are quite happy to accept ADHD on public social media, as sufferers of ADHD are more likely to engage with an online community sporadically while being unable to concentrate on other things. Especially if they start getting a dopamine reward for engaging.
- peppermint_gum 4y agoI should have said asymptomatic disorders in general. It's okay to say that you suffer from ADHD, people will support you. But co-workers and especially bosses tend not to appreciate the issues that come with it, such as procrastination, inability to meet deadlines, lack of focus etc.
- arp242 4y ago> When I reviewed the rules, which I tend to take seriously I noticed that it said "We promote neurodiversity" and in the next line it says "don't be an asshole". There is always a limit to what can or can't be allowed in spite of someone's neurodivergent status. The classic real-world case is Terry Davis, who would go on HN to insult just about everone and rant about the "CIA niggers" or whatnot. Many people were willing to give Terry some leeway, but ... to a limit. Or to put it in another way: if you – due to your neurodivergent behaviour – are excluding other people from a community then there's clearly a bit of a conflict. None of this is easy or simple.
- spoiler 4y ago> None of this is easy or simple. It's really sad that neither side actually gets this. Both (for the sake of simplifying, let's call it the left and the right) are filled with loud bigoted reprobates who don't realise they are the very things they hate, just with different labels attached. An added layer of bewilderment is that the woke movement is becoming increasingly more bigoted, and seems to be using the fascist playbook more and more. Like, where's the self awareness?