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> Said no modern, respectable, progressive, white, American scientist who has studied the phenomenon within the last thirty years. Fixed it for you. Here's th

by blagie 4y ago

> Said no modern, respectable, progressive, white, American scientist who has studied the phenomenon within the last thirty years. Fixed it for you. Here's the basic problem: - Most punishments for kids outside of mainstream cultural norms are harmful - Most punishments in anger are harmful Living within that context, I don't use corporal punishment, and I think it would be harmful to my child. However, I am not at all ready to generalize the results to outside of that context. Another way I'd frame it: The research evidence is at the level where I'm glad to call it a best practice (which I follow), and encourage others to do so. It's not yet at the level where I'm ready to judge people -- especially in other cultures -- who don't.

memling 4y ago
I worked with an older african american many years ago who in his own words grew up in the ghetto. He told me once that, "If we don't beat our kids at home the cops will do it in the street." Not advocating either way, but the perspective stuck with me.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > I wotked with an older african american many years ago who in his own words grew up in the ghetto. He told me once that, "If we don't beat our kids at home the cops will do it in the street." I suspect a thorough investigation of the African Americans beaten in the streets by cops would find that being beaten by their parents as a child is not substantial protection against being beaten in the streets by cops. Its a convenient rationalization, though.
  - blagie 4y ago
    I would like to see a thorough investigation BY African Americans rather than merely OF by African Americans. We have an unfortunate history where investigations OF African Americans BY white Americans led to not only incorrect but also very unfortunate conclusions.
  - memling 4y ago
    Entirely possible. I don't know that he was rationalizing as much as passing on accepted wisdom. Undoubtedly escaping depends on more than one variable.

by blagie 4y ago

memling 4y ago

I worked with an older african american many years ago who in his own words grew up in the ghetto. He told me once that, "If we don't beat our kids at home the cops will do it in the street." Not advocating either way, but the perspective stuck with me.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> I wotked with an older african american many years ago who in his own words grew up in the ghetto. He told me once that, "If we don't beat our kids at home the cops will do it in the street." I suspect a thorough investigation of the African Americans beaten in the streets by cops would find that being beaten by their parents as a child is not substantial protection against being beaten in the streets by cops. Its a convenient rationalization, though.
- blagie 4y ago
  I would like to see a thorough investigation BY African Americans rather than merely OF by African Americans. We have an unfortunate history where investigations OF African Americans BY white Americans led to not only incorrect but also very unfortunate conclusions.
- memling 4y ago
  Entirely possible. I don't know that he was rationalizing as much as passing on accepted wisdom. Undoubtedly escaping depends on more than one variable.