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>it’s not like it was pre-destined to become the company it is today A billion dollars, Ilya Sutskever as chief scientist, and some of the most brilliant young

>it’s not like it was pre-destined to become the company it is today A billion dollars, Ilya Sutskever as chief scientist, and some of the most brilliant young minds in ML. I say it was.

iorrus 4y ago
Yeah he doesn’t even seem like the kind of person that would connect well with a lot of talented ML researchers.
- bnjms 4y ago
  What does that have to do with getting a billion dollars for his chief scientist and ML researchers?
  - iorrus 4y ago
    Well he didn’t really get that money. Sam Altman on his own couldn’t have raised 1 billion for OpenAI. He was the CEO but the money was there already. He was largely parachuted in. I could understand why someone would buy into Musk’s vision even Gates/Jobs etc. Sam Altman seems like a very ordinary guy without any remarkable attributes.
version_five 4y ago
To be fair, deepmind, google brain, others, are are well funded and have been comparatively lackluster (commercially, they are almost certainly doing more legit academic work). And scientists like to do science, it's hard to focus them commercially. Their (openAI's) success suggests good leadership
- fredoliveira 4y ago
  I'm not sure I'd put Deepmind in a bucket for lackluster companies. Their accomplishments are insane.
- pas 4y ago
  I have no real idea about the purpose and inner workings of those Google companies, but being a Google-adjacent company is probably not a great predictor for success, because big G needs to eat to sustain the behemoth and there's also too much fat on these companies to be business savvy, so they seem to serve as G hiring pool, or G vacation destination for burnt out G folks. Also G companies might aim too high even when they try not to? OpenAI can release a shitty chatbot, but a G subsidiary simply can't, they want to solve proteins, aging, cancer, and then maybe we can chat.
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  How do you know? OpenAI isn't a commercial success, seems really unlikely they're profitable right now given their penchant for freely available and very expensive tech demos. DeepMind could be in the black based on ML optimization of Google's infra alone. Prolly not but it's at least possible.

>it’s not like it was pre-destined to become the company it is today A billion dollars, Ilya Sutskever as chief scientist, and some of the most brilliant young minds in ML. I say it was.

iorrus 4y ago

Yeah he doesn’t even seem like the kind of person that would connect well with a lot of talented ML researchers.

bnjms 4y ago
What does that have to do with getting a billion dollars for his chief scientist and ML researchers?
- iorrus 4y ago
  Well he didn’t really get that money. Sam Altman on his own couldn’t have raised 1 billion for OpenAI. He was the CEO but the money was there already. He was largely parachuted in. I could understand why someone would buy into Musk’s vision even Gates/Jobs etc. Sam Altman seems like a very ordinary guy without any remarkable attributes.

version_five 4y ago

To be fair, deepmind, google brain, others, are are well funded and have been comparatively lackluster (commercially, they are almost certainly doing more legit academic work). And scientists like to do science, it's hard to focus them commercially. Their (openAI's) success suggests good leadership

fredoliveira 4y ago
I'm not sure I'd put Deepmind in a bucket for lackluster companies. Their accomplishments are insane.
pas 4y ago
I have no real idea about the purpose and inner workings of those Google companies, but being a Google-adjacent company is probably not a great predictor for success, because big G needs to eat to sustain the behemoth and there's also too much fat on these companies to be business savvy, so they seem to serve as G hiring pool, or G vacation destination for burnt out G folks. Also G companies might aim too high even when they try not to? OpenAI can release a shitty chatbot, but a G subsidiary simply can't, they want to solve proteins, aging, cancer, and then maybe we can chat.
fidgewidge 4y ago
How do you know? OpenAI isn't a commercial success, seems really unlikely they're profitable right now given their penchant for freely available and very expensive tech demos. DeepMind could be in the black based on ML optimization of Google's infra alone. Prolly not but it's at least possible.