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Not how you're attempting to use it. You're using the "strike" to make it seem like a powerful blow. A light slap on the bum is entirely different and that's w
by MrOwnPut 4y ago
Not how you're attempting to use it. You're using the "strike" to make it seem like a powerful blow.
A light slap on the bum is entirely different and that's what I'm talking about.
Holding hands with an officer without permission would end you up in jail.
Grabbing an item from the officer without permission would end you up in jail.
You can do all of those things with your child that you can't with an officer.
Your analogy's logic breaks down easily.
- tptacek 4y agoNo, I'm doing nothing of the sort. Try precisely the physical assault you're condoning for a child on a police officer. After they break your arm, they'll put you in a lockup, and the state will follow that up with a felony prosecution. (I don't condone police violence either; I'm laying out a positive argument, not a normative one.)
- MrOwnPut 4y agoYou are, everyone can see which word you are choosing to stick with, and why. You ignored the breakdown of your analogy. Just going to reiterate, if you're hurting your child you aren't spanking, you're beating.
- chownie 4y agoIf it doesn't hurt then it's not spanking...? I don't understand these tortured semantics. The act of spanking is to strike the butt cheeks to inflict pain as a punishment, there is no other mechanic at play. It is striking another person to hurt them.
- MrOwnPut 4y ago> to inflict pain as a punishment > It is striking another person to hurt them. You added those parts. I said exactly the opposite. There is another mechanic at play. The fear of getting in trouble and going through the process. The light slap on the bum isn't even supposed to sting.
- tptacek 4y agoWhat you're doing here, trying to shift the meaning of the word "hurt" depending on whether you're the one speaking or someone else is, is a tactic that is indistinguishable from trolling. It's fine if we're just at the limit of productive dialog here.
- MrOwnPut 4y agoNo what you're doing here is trying to add your own pre-conceived notions to what I'm saying. But I do agree we are at the limit of productive dialog, have a good day.
- vidarh 4y agoSlapping another adult on the bum without consent is assault or battery a lot of places. I'm in the UK where slapping your child is legal, but merely causing another adult to be in fear of imminent "unlawful physical contact" (an unwanted slap, for example) is assault even if it never actually happens. The hypocrisy is astounding and one of the worst aspects - behavior we've outlawed against adults are being outright advocated for children in a position where they can't reasonably defend themselves. You're seeking to justify violence and abuse, no matter how you trivialise it.
- MrOwnPut 4y agoCopying this as you said the same thing as another user: Try to do anything to another adult with consent and you'll have criminal charges. You can't ground another adult, or take away their stuff. You can with your child. Also teammates slap each other on the bum all the time.
- vidarh 4y agoAnd if a teammate makes it clear they don't want to, and people still do it, it's battery in the UK, and a criminal offense. In theory it'd be an offense even without a warning, but one might expect the defence to argue they believed there had been prior consent. My ex took someone to court over an unwanted slap on the bum a while back, in case someone thinks this is hypothetic, as the CPS agreed it was a crime though they cautioned they'd have a hard time proving the case. I responded to your other point elsewhere.
- hooverd 4y agoHow about if a teacher spanks my child without my consent (which I'd never give) I get to flog them?
- MrOwnPut 4y agoSure? Contact your congressman.