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Corporal punishment should be used more often for adults. It is more equitable than fining people (even when those fines are scaled with wealth), and it does l

Corporal punishment should be used more often for adults. It is more equitable than fining people (even when those fines are scaled with wealth), and it does less damage to society than imprisonment. Imprisonment should be reserved for cases in which the public needs to be protected from the offender. Basically, Singapore has the right idea.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> more equitable than fining people Rich kids don’t get beaten. > Singapore has the right idea See above. Corporeal punishment shares due process issues with the death penalty. If you beat the wrong guy, it’s harder to undo than unlocking the prison door.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  You can't retroactively unimprison a man. The time you took from him can never be returned. Anyway, consider this common scenario in America: A man misses his child support payments. Do you, fine him, demanding money he doesn't have, which should otherwise have gone towards his child support payments? That doesn't work. Do you imprison him for a month, so he loses his job and can't make future payments? That harms the kids he's supposed to be making payments to, but is a common 'solution' used by American courts. Better to cane the man and set him free the same day so he can continue to work and pay off his debts.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > can't retroactively unimprison a man. The time you took from him can never be returned. But you can return the time unserved. It’s also easier to turn time into money damages than pain.
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      Money cannot give you back the opportunity to raise your children.
      - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > Money cannot give you back the opportunity to raise your children It can give them a better life. Also, this article cited a star second grader beaten against her parents’ wishes, and where the doctor felt barred from filing a compliant because it was the state that beat her. The state beating kids simply doesn’t make sense.
        LarryMullins 4y ago
        The simple fact of the matter is that money can neither retroactively unimprison a man, nor can it retroactively unbeat him. If you think it can do one, there's no rational reason it can't do the other. But in truth, it can't do either. Pretending that imprisonment is reversible is just a cowardly way of coping with the possibility of harming an innocent man.
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > imprisonment is reversible Straw man. Nobody said this. It’s easier to reverse unserved time. And it’s easier to calculate money damages for mis-spent time.
        LarryMullins 4y ago
        You can calculate a dollar figure for wages missed, but not time lost nor beatings sustained. Better to remove the first harm from the equation altogether.
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > can calculate a dollar figure for wages missed, but not time lost nor beatings sustained. Better to remove the first harm from the equation altogether By replacing it with the incalculable latter? What?
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nine_k 4y ago
This has a grain of truth: it's faster for the condemned, and less expensive for the society. It could be an option for the condemned to choose: some amount of lashing, or some time of forced labor directed to restore the damage from the crime. It would be less educational and correctional though.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  > It could be an option for the condemned to choose Agreed. The way I'd like to see it done is to give people convicted of non-violent or relatively minor crimes an option between being caned and being jailed. I don't think much rehabilitation goes on in county jails anyway. People are usually only there for a few weeks anyway; long enough to lose their job but probably not long enough to be rehabilitated (if such psychological services were even offered in the first place.)
  - nine_k 4y ago
    In this regard, I think prisons as they exist in the US are counter-productive, but that's a different kettle of fish.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> more equitable than fining people Rich kids don’t get beaten. > Singapore has the right idea See above. Corporeal punishment shares due process issues with the death penalty. If you beat the wrong guy, it’s harder to undo than unlocking the prison door.

LarryMullins 4y ago
You can't retroactively unimprison a man. The time you took from him can never be returned. Anyway, consider this common scenario in America: A man misses his child support payments. Do you, fine him, demanding money he doesn't have, which should otherwise have gone towards his child support payments? That doesn't work. Do you imprison him for a month, so he loses his job and can't make future payments? That harms the kids he's supposed to be making payments to, but is a common 'solution' used by American courts. Better to cane the man and set him free the same day so he can continue to work and pay off his debts.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > can't retroactively unimprison a man. The time you took from him can never be returned. But you can return the time unserved. It’s also easier to turn time into money damages than pain.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    Money cannot give you back the opportunity to raise your children.
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > Money cannot give you back the opportunity to raise your children It can give them a better life. Also, this article cited a star second grader beaten against her parents’ wishes, and where the doctor felt barred from filing a compliant because it was the state that beat her. The state beating kids simply doesn’t make sense.
      - LarryMullins 4y ago
        The simple fact of the matter is that money can neither retroactively unimprison a man, nor can it retroactively unbeat him. If you think it can do one, there's no rational reason it can't do the other. But in truth, it can't do either. Pretending that imprisonment is reversible is just a cowardly way of coping with the possibility of harming an innocent man.
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > imprisonment is reversible Straw man. Nobody said this. It’s easier to reverse unserved time. And it’s easier to calculate money damages for mis-spent time.
        LarryMullins 4y ago
        You can calculate a dollar figure for wages missed, but not time lost nor beatings sustained. Better to remove the first harm from the equation altogether.
        JumpCrisscross 4y ago
        > can calculate a dollar figure for wages missed, but not time lost nor beatings sustained. Better to remove the first harm from the equation altogether By replacing it with the incalculable latter? What?
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nine_k 4y ago

This has a grain of truth: it's faster for the condemned, and less expensive for the society. It could be an option for the condemned to choose: some amount of lashing, or some time of forced labor directed to restore the damage from the crime. It would be less educational and correctional though.

LarryMullins 4y ago
> It could be an option for the condemned to choose Agreed. The way I'd like to see it done is to give people convicted of non-violent or relatively minor crimes an option between being caned and being jailed. I don't think much rehabilitation goes on in county jails anyway. People are usually only there for a few weeks anyway; long enough to lose their job but probably not long enough to be rehabilitated (if such psychological services were even offered in the first place.)
- nine_k 4y ago
  In this regard, I think prisons as they exist in the US are counter-productive, but that's a different kettle of fish.