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They brought back spanking when I was in high school. Was kinda strange (and ineffective) at that age, but totally better than in school suspension. I opted i

They brought back spanking when I was in high school. Was kinda strange (and ineffective) at that age, but totally better than in school suspension. I opted in for it twice (uniform code violations) over iss until my parents said no, he should go to iss, he's not learning his lesson lol. As a kid I was spanked a few times, it was never that the spanking that hurt, just the fear of getting in trouble. Conflating spanking with "hitting" seems disingenuous. Personally some people I interact with today should have been spanked, or raised better in general. And no I'm not talking about not violating dress codes etc, it's fine to break the rules if you're not hurting anyone. But there's a lot of bad people that would have benefitted from discipline.

jackson1442 4y ago
> Conflating spanking with "hitting" seems disingenuous. How can you define spanking without using a term like "hitting?" > it's fine to break the rules *if you're not hurting anyone* seems odd to have the person in authority return the favor by hurting the kids as punishment
- MrOwnPut 4y ago
  > How can you define spanking without using a term like "hitting?" You call it spanking, or slapping on the bum. Hitting colloquially gives the impression of a closed-fist. > seems odd to have the person in authority return the favor by hurting the kids as punishment The world is not fair. You can pick and choose rules based on a moral code but things like dress code, drugs, etc. are the institutional rules and they have setup consequences, agree with them or not. And if you're hurting the child you aren't spanking, you're beating.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Hitting colloquially gives the impression of a closed-fist. Hitting does not imply closed fist.
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      It doesn't imply it to you or are you speaking for everyone? It does for me and I'd assume many others, otherwise you'd use "slap". Let's take a poll.
      - ksaj 4y ago
        In baseball, how is it when players hit the ball, it does not damage their knuckles? The words "fist" and "knuckle" do not even appear on M-W's definition of hit. "Fists" appears in a sample sentence that would be redundant if "hit" assumed "fists." https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hit https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hit
        MrOwnPut 4y ago
        the player doesn't hit the ball, the bat does. when a baseball player gets slapped on the butt after a good run, would you say their teammate hit or struck them? semantic debates are fun, how'd we get here? :)
  - jackson1442 4y ago
    > You call it spanking, or slapping on the bum. this is circular logic > Hitting colloquially gives the impression of a closed-fist. it does not > And if you're hurting the child you aren't spanking, you're beating. what the hell is spanking then? you're not hitting the kid or hurting the kid apparently. is it just another term for a 'stern talking-to?'
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      > this is circular logic Are you trying to get into a semantic debate because you don't want to do the philosophical one? You're choosing words with a connotation you know are more extreme. So you avoid basic words like slap and use a basic word like strike. For the connotation. > Hitting colloquially gives the impression of a closed-fist. You don't speak for all of society. So we're 1:1 right now. Let's take a poll. When describing a fight, you see one person using open hand, one person using closed fist. You wouldn't say one is slapping, one is hitting? > what the hell is spanking then? you're not hitting the kid or hurting the kid apparently. is it just another term for a 'stern talking-to?' It's the fear of the whole process. It's the next level after being sent into the corner or something.
diego_moita 4y ago
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- Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
  By saying this, you are actually the one trivializing here.
- MrOwnPut 4y ago
  First, you don't know me. If you want to respond to what I said go ahead, but keep the ad hominem to yourself. Second, if you're coupling torture with a slap on the bum then maybe your world view is distorted.
  - diego_moita 4y ago
    > First, you don't know me. I know you condone with physical abuse against children. It is way more than I want to know about you.
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      Inaccurate assessment. Your flagged and dead comment says others don't agree with your logic.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Conflating spanking with "hitting" seems disingenuous. Spanking is intentional hitting for the purpose of inflicting pain; your attempt to distinguish them is disingenuous.
- MrOwnPut 4y ago
  If you're spanking to inflict pain, that's beating. It's the fear of getting in trouble, that's why spanking doesn't work in older ages. You don't slap the the bum enough to hurt, it's the event and the getting in trouble that disciplines.
  - madaxe_again 4y ago
    > You don't slap the the bum enough to hurt, it's the event and the getting in trouble that disciplines. Speak for yourself. The night master at my prep school would ensure that you thought of it every time you sat down for the next week.
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      I am speaking for myself, it's my personal anecdote and life experiences. I don't disagree that there's people that beat children in the world, that's different entirely and should be condemned. Spanking should not hurt the child, if it does you're beating them.
      - chownie 4y ago
        Perhaps you ought to take a poll on whether spanking is generally painful, I think you might be surprised by the consensus of your peers.
        MrOwnPut 4y ago
        That poll would just differentiate from the people who were beat and those who were spanked. Spanking is no longer spanking when it inflicts pain.
tptacek 4y ago
No child would benefit from being struck by a teacher (or anyone else) in school.
- MrOwnPut 4y ago
  Not being struck, I agree, but being slapped on the bum once or twice might discipline them.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    Being slapped anywhere on their body is striking, as you would quickly discover if you tried it on a police officer.
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      Not how you're attempting to use it. You're using the "strike" to make it seem like a powerful blow. A light slap on the bum is entirely different and that's what I'm talking about. Holding hands with an officer without permission would end you up in jail. Grabbing an item from the officer without permission would end you up in jail. You can do all of those things with your child that you can't with an officer. Your analogy's logic breaks down easily.
      - tptacek 4y ago
        No, I'm doing nothing of the sort. Try precisely the physical assault you're condoning for a child on a police officer. After they break your arm, they'll put you in a lockup, and the state will follow that up with a felony prosecution. (I don't condone police violence either; I'm laying out a positive argument, not a normative one.)
        MrOwnPut 4y ago
        You are, everyone can see which word you are choosing to stick with, and why. You ignored the breakdown of your analogy. Just going to reiterate, if you're hurting your child you aren't spanking, you're beating.

jackson1442 4y ago

> Conflating spanking with "hitting" seems disingenuous. How can you define spanking without using a term like "hitting?" > it's fine to break the rules *if you're not hurting anyone* seems odd to have the person in authority return the favor by hurting the kids as punishment

MrOwnPut 4y ago
> How can you define spanking without using a term like "hitting?" You call it spanking, or slapping on the bum. Hitting colloquially gives the impression of a closed-fist. > seems odd to have the person in authority return the favor by hurting the kids as punishment The world is not fair. You can pick and choose rules based on a moral code but things like dress code, drugs, etc. are the institutional rules and they have setup consequences, agree with them or not. And if you're hurting the child you aren't spanking, you're beating.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Hitting colloquially gives the impression of a closed-fist. Hitting does not imply closed fist.
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    It doesn't imply it to you or are you speaking for everyone? It does for me and I'd assume many others, otherwise you'd use "slap". Let's take a poll.
    - ksaj 4y ago
      In baseball, how is it when players hit the ball, it does not damage their knuckles? The words "fist" and "knuckle" do not even appear on M-W's definition of hit. "Fists" appears in a sample sentence that would be redundant if "hit" assumed "fists." https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hit https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hit
      - MrOwnPut 4y ago
        the player doesn't hit the ball, the bat does. when a baseball player gets slapped on the butt after a good run, would you say their teammate hit or struck them? semantic debates are fun, how'd we get here? :)
- jackson1442 4y ago
  > You call it spanking, or slapping on the bum. this is circular logic > Hitting colloquially gives the impression of a closed-fist. it does not > And if you're hurting the child you aren't spanking, you're beating. what the hell is spanking then? you're not hitting the kid or hurting the kid apparently. is it just another term for a 'stern talking-to?'
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    > this is circular logic Are you trying to get into a semantic debate because you don't want to do the philosophical one? You're choosing words with a connotation you know are more extreme. So you avoid basic words like slap and use a basic word like strike. For the connotation. > Hitting colloquially gives the impression of a closed-fist. You don't speak for all of society. So we're 1:1 right now. Let's take a poll. When describing a fight, you see one person using open hand, one person using closed fist. You wouldn't say one is slapping, one is hitting? > what the hell is spanking then? you're not hitting the kid or hurting the kid apparently. is it just another term for a 'stern talking-to?' It's the fear of the whole process. It's the next level after being sent into the corner or something.

diego_moita 4y ago

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Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
By saying this, you are actually the one trivializing here.
MrOwnPut 4y ago
First, you don't know me. If you want to respond to what I said go ahead, but keep the ad hominem to yourself. Second, if you're coupling torture with a slap on the bum then maybe your world view is distorted.
- diego_moita 4y ago
  > First, you don't know me. I know you condone with physical abuse against children. It is way more than I want to know about you.
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    Inaccurate assessment. Your flagged and dead comment says others don't agree with your logic.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Conflating spanking with "hitting" seems disingenuous. Spanking is intentional hitting for the purpose of inflicting pain; your attempt to distinguish them is disingenuous.

MrOwnPut 4y ago
If you're spanking to inflict pain, that's beating. It's the fear of getting in trouble, that's why spanking doesn't work in older ages. You don't slap the the bum enough to hurt, it's the event and the getting in trouble that disciplines.
- madaxe_again 4y ago
  > You don't slap the the bum enough to hurt, it's the event and the getting in trouble that disciplines. Speak for yourself. The night master at my prep school would ensure that you thought of it every time you sat down for the next week.
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    I am speaking for myself, it's my personal anecdote and life experiences. I don't disagree that there's people that beat children in the world, that's different entirely and should be condemned. Spanking should not hurt the child, if it does you're beating them.
    - chownie 4y ago
      Perhaps you ought to take a poll on whether spanking is generally painful, I think you might be surprised by the consensus of your peers.
      - MrOwnPut 4y ago
        That poll would just differentiate from the people who were beat and those who were spanked. Spanking is no longer spanking when it inflicts pain.

tptacek 4y ago

No child would benefit from being struck by a teacher (or anyone else) in school.

MrOwnPut 4y ago
Not being struck, I agree, but being slapped on the bum once or twice might discipline them.
- tptacek 4y ago
  Being slapped anywhere on their body is striking, as you would quickly discover if you tried it on a police officer.
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    Not how you're attempting to use it. You're using the "strike" to make it seem like a powerful blow. A light slap on the bum is entirely different and that's what I'm talking about. Holding hands with an officer without permission would end you up in jail. Grabbing an item from the officer without permission would end you up in jail. You can do all of those things with your child that you can't with an officer. Your analogy's logic breaks down easily.
    - tptacek 4y ago
      No, I'm doing nothing of the sort. Try precisely the physical assault you're condoning for a child on a police officer. After they break your arm, they'll put you in a lockup, and the state will follow that up with a felony prosecution. (I don't condone police violence either; I'm laying out a positive argument, not a normative one.)
      - MrOwnPut 4y ago
        You are, everyone can see which word you are choosing to stick with, and why. You ignored the breakdown of your analogy. Just going to reiterate, if you're hurting your child you aren't spanking, you're beating.