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You’re commenting on a literal publishing of data. Just because the data doesn’t look the way you want doesn’t mean it’s not data. (Edit: if you’re going to do

• culi 4y ago
  This is a report containing unverifiable statements about internal data that they explicitly refuse to release
  • epgui 4y ago
    It’s still data. I’m not saying it’s great data, I’m just saying it’s some data. And I get downvoted?
    • JoeAltmaier 4y ago
      If they don't release it, then it's vapor. Not data. Just a PR story.
      • wolverine876 4y ago
        > If they don't release it, then it's vapor. Plenty of analysis is based on data that isn't released. And do you have data that says otherwise? Why should we believe you?
        • detaro 4y ago
          why should we believe them, especially given their track record?
          • epgui 4y ago
            Well it is a general principle of civility that we should believe people by default, unless we have good reason not to. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "track record" though.
            • culi 4y ago
              Maybe you should look into why the National Transportation Safety Board sued Tesla for spreading misinformation See also: - The dangerous "we're almost at full self-driving" myths Musk continues to spread (which is probably part of the reason Google didn't acquire them given that they've been ahead on the research of this and knew how BS that is) - The battery swap lies that they made a huge announcement about in order to take advantage of a California subsidy and then simply... never actually allowed any Tesla owner to swap batteries - Tesla lying to shareholders about warranty expense by categorizing it as "goodwill" in order to inflate their gross margin and net income (since at least Q2 2018) - On top of the California battery swap stuff, they've been sued for subsidy fraud in multiple countries including Canada and Germany. Much of it's "profitability" has simply been selling regulatory credits to other OEMs - Musk using Tesla to bail out his cousin's failing solar company SolarCity and not disclosing the personal connection to shareholders
              • yreg 4y ago
                >Maybe you should look into why the National Transportation Safety Board sued Tesla for spreading misinformation NTSB did not sue Tesla.
            • wolverine876 4y ago
              > it is a general principle of civility that we should believe people by default, unless we have good reason not to That is appropriate in social situations, not in situations with significant consequences. If lives are at stake (or even lots of poeple's money), the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. For example, that is true in the legal system, in science, and when you give a presentation to your boss. Saying 'you should believe me by default' doesn't go over well in those situations.
        • culi 4y ago
          Yes I have data that says otherwise. No I won't release it.
          • wolverine876 4y ago
            (Actually, I thought you were commenting on NHSTA data. I agree with you about Tesla data.)
    • ryanwaggoner 4y ago
      Technically speaking, I believe they’ve released statistics (analysis), but not data, meaning the individual data points the analysis is based on.
      • epgui 4y ago
        Derived data is still data. I did not say or imply it was raw or source data. Most data we use is derived and processed data. Much of the data we use is a statistic.
        • ryanwaggoner 4y ago
          My analysis shows that your comments display a 98.36% bias in favor of Tesla. And now we have data to show it :)
          • epgui 4y ago
            Well that number is made up, but yes I do have highly favourable feelings for that company, and for full disclosure, I am also a shareholder. I believe in their mission to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy. (Note: this does not mean I approve of everything Elon does and says)
            • culi 4y ago
              How do you know that number is made up? Why don't you just verify it by running the analysis yourself?
              • yreg 4y ago
                Why are you bullying this user?
                • ryanwaggoner 4y ago
                  Oh, give me a break. They were pointing out the absurdity of the position I was responding to with my tongue-in-cheek comment: anyone can say they did some analysis and produce “data”, but it’s hogwash if they don’t release the data that analysis was done on. Especially if the entity doing the analysis is a freaking company with a huge incentive to fudge the data, and a track record of dishonesty and hype bordering on fraud. It’s completely preposterous to claim with a straight face that Tesla has released safety “data” in any meaningful sense here.
    • bobkazamakis 4y ago
      Anecdotes are not data. I can tell you this for a fact from my time spent on the lunar base last financial quarter.
      • epgui 4y ago
        When you say "anecdotes", what are you referring to here? Because we're talking about the summary data published by Tesla. We're not talking about someone's story or personal experiences.