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> [...] and also, for software authors, prohibiting ML training would be antithetical to the Open Source Definition. So that probably won’t work. Of course. As

> [...] and also, for software authors, prohibiting ML training would be antithetical to the Open Source Definition. So that probably won’t work. Of course. As an author of OSS, I'm more than happy to let your AI "learn" from my code as long as the trained model is released under a GPL compatible license.

neltnerb 4y ago
That the original post elided this point really stood out. I don't hear complaints about code getting used for training. I hear complaints about code being used in proprietary products in what appears at first and second glance to be a code laundering scheme without attribution or their rights respected. If it was trained on the source code for Windows 11, AWS, and Google Search maybe everyone would feel more magnanimous. If those were used I have the feeling that the lawsuits would be much faster. I don't get how "I'm only sharing this under these conditions" is complicated to grasp. Maybe it's a technical annoyance but... good?
yazzku 4y ago
This author really does not know two shits what they're talking about. Surprising this whole post isn't flagged. If your AI software is vomiting derivative works stripped of their original license, provided the license even allows derivative works, then yes, you need to lawyer up.
- bollos 4y ago
  This AI boom feels very similar to that of crypto/Web 3.0 of a few years ago. Wouldn’t be surprised if the same people are behind the current AI/ML hype.
LtWorf 4y ago
And the output!
smallerfish 4y ago
I think this is exactly right, and also applies to any models based on web scraping. If you're scraping the web and building a set of weights based on language or images that people have developed, _fine_ as long as you release the model without charge and/or at cost (given that the cost of model training in this way is still expensive, earning back expenses is reasonable). Otherwise every word typed and every image uploaded is contributing to the development of products that will increase the power of mega-corps over time.

neltnerb 4y ago

That the original post elided this point really stood out. I don't hear complaints about code getting used for training. I hear complaints about code being used in proprietary products in what appears at first and second glance to be a code laundering scheme without attribution or their rights respected. If it was trained on the source code for Windows 11, AWS, and Google Search maybe everyone would feel more magnanimous. If those were used I have the feeling that the lawsuits would be much faster. I don't get how "I'm only sharing this under these conditions" is complicated to grasp. Maybe it's a technical annoyance but... good?

yazzku 4y ago

This author really does not know two shits what they're talking about. Surprising this whole post isn't flagged. If your AI software is vomiting derivative works stripped of their original license, provided the license even allows derivative works, then yes, you need to lawyer up.

bollos 4y ago
This AI boom feels very similar to that of crypto/Web 3.0 of a few years ago. Wouldn’t be surprised if the same people are behind the current AI/ML hype.

LtWorf 4y ago

And the output!

smallerfish 4y ago

I think this is exactly right, and also applies to any models based on web scraping. If you're scraping the web and building a set of weights based on language or images that people have developed, _fine_ as long as you release the model without charge and/or at cost (given that the cost of model training in this way is still expensive, earning back expenses is reasonable). Otherwise every word typed and every image uploaded is contributing to the development of products that will increase the power of mega-corps over time.