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they've reported them since 2016 tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
by elif 4y ago
they've reported them since 2016
tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
- culi 4y agoThey have never published any data. Also, those number are also obviously misleading. Comparing my 2008 extended van I bought for $5k to a luxury vehicle is obviously pointless and useless In addition, those "safety reports" continue to spout misinformation that the National Transportation Safety Board is currently suing Tesla for
- epgui 4y agoYou’re commenting on a literal publishing of data. Just because the data doesn’t look the way you want doesn’t mean it’s not data. (Edit: if you’re going to downvote me, please explain how a literal interpretation of exactly what I wrote is technically incorrect.)
- culi 4y agoThis is a report containing unverifiable statements about internal data that they explicitly refuse to release
- epgui 4y agoIt’s still data. I’m not saying it’s great data, I’m just saying it’s some data. And I get downvoted?
- JoeAltmaier 4y agoIf they don't release it, then it's vapor. Not data. Just a PR story.
- wolverine876 4y ago> If they don't release it, then it's vapor. Plenty of analysis is based on data that isn't released. And do you have data that says otherwise? Why should we believe you?
- detaro 4y agowhy should we believe them, especially given their track record?
- epgui 4y agoWell it is a general principle of civility that we should believe people by default, unless we have good reason not to. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "track record" though.
- culi 4y agoMaybe you should look into why the National Transportation Safety Board sued Tesla for spreading misinformation See also: - The dangerous "we're almost at full self-driving" myths Musk continues to spread (which is probably part of the reason Google didn't acquire them given that they've been ahead on the research of this and knew how BS that is) - The battery swap lies that they made a huge announcement about in order to take advantage of a California subsidy and then simply... never actually allowed any Tesla owner to swap batteries - Tesla lying to shareholders about warranty expense by categorizing it as "goodwill" in order to inflate their gross margin and net income (since at least Q2 2018) - On top of the California battery swap stuff, they've been sued for subsidy fraud in multiple countries including Canada and Germany. Much of it's "profitability" has simply been selling regulatory credits to other OEMs - Musk using Tesla to bail out his cousin's failing solar company SolarCity and not disclosing the personal connection to shareholders
- yreg 4y ago>Maybe you should look into why the National Transportation Safety Board sued Tesla for spreading misinformation NTSB did not sue Tesla.
- ryanwaggoner 4y agoTechnically speaking, I believe they’ve released statistics (analysis), but not data, meaning the individual data points the analysis is based on.
- epgui 4y agoDerived data is still data. I did not say or imply it was raw or source data. Most data we use is derived and processed data. Much of the data we use is a statistic.
- ryanwaggoner 4y agoMy analysis shows that your comments display a 98.36% bias in favor of Tesla. And now we have data to show it :)
- epgui 4y agoWell that number is made up, but yes I do have highly favourable feelings for that company, and for full disclosure, I am also a shareholder. I believe in their mission to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy. (Note: this does not mean I approve of everything Elon does and says)
- culi 4y agoHow do you know that number is made up? Why don't you just verify it by running the analysis yourself?
- yreg 4y agoWhy are you bullying this user?
- ryanwaggoner 4y agoOh, give me a break. They were pointing out the absurdity of the position I was responding to with my tongue-in-cheek comment: anyone can say they did some analysis and produce “data”, but it’s hogwash if they don’t release the data that analysis was done on. Especially if the entity doing the analysis is a freaking company with a huge incentive to fudge the data, and a track record of dishonesty and hype bordering on fraud. It’s completely preposterous to claim with a straight face that Tesla has released safety “data” in any meaningful sense here.
- bobkazamakis 4y agoAnecdotes are not data. I can tell you this for a fact from my time spent on the lunar base last financial quarter.
- epgui 4y agoWhen you say "anecdotes", what are you referring to here? Because we're talking about the summary data published by Tesla. We're not talking about someone's story or personal experiences.
- sidibe 4y agoLuxury vs non luxury is always the first thing brought up with this report, but that's not the biggest issue IMO. Mainly it compares the easiest miles where people feel comfortable using Autopilot vs all miles. I wonder how many miles per accident there are with cruise control engaged.
- culi 4y agothe "new luxury vehicle" vs "all vehicles on the road" is relevant to Tesla's claimed overall safety of Tesla vehicles in general. But I agree wrt the Autopilot "safety" claims that the most relevant detail is the fact that highway crashes are already more than 2x less likely At this point we still don't have any actual public evidence that driving assistance technology is even safer than driving without it. If Tesla's so confident in it they should release data because all the actual academic metastudies still have the same conclusion: we don't have any data to say anything about its safety.
- trogdor 4y agoThe NTSB is not suing Tesla. Why do you think they are?