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How does this article fail to mention the pandemic. That is crazy that they talk about 2019-2021 but never once address it.

mattnewton 4y ago
Because the poster has an agenda and wants to blame San Francisco politics for everything. Were that San Francisco’s problems as easy as voters “voting differently” - the truth is that some of the problems San Francisco faces like homelessness and pandemic work pattern shifts are way above the pay grade of a metro mayor to combat, but they make convenient scapegoats.
- strawhatguy 4y ago
  It’s certainly the policies SF pursues that lead to crime/homelessness increases. While the state of CA tacks on a few more that’s harder for a mayor and council to overcome, still no excuse not to correct what they can. The various vetoes different groups get on what someone can build on their own land is a good example a thing to get rid of. Assuming there’s any developers left at this point not friends with the gov there.
  - culi 4y ago
    > There was a 3.5% decrease in the total homeless population from 2019 – 2022. https://sfgov.org/scorecards/safety-net/homeless-population https://sfgov.org/scorecards/safety-net/homeless-population > Compared with other major U.S. cities, S.F. boasts lower-than-average rates of violent crime https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/fixing-san-francisco-problems/crime https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/fixing-san-francis...
    - strawhatguy 4y ago
      I think property prices actually dropped as more people left SF during the pandemic timeframe, so it doesn’t appear to contradict the point: cheaper housing leads to less homelessness, and sf gov is mostly still in the way from that happening.
- rising-sky 4y ago
  Exactly started reading with an open mind, but hard to get past the first two paragraphs > which lost 6.3 percent of its population between 2019 and 2021, a rate of decline larger than any two year-period in Detroit’s history This is not an apples to apples comparison? > Detroit’s fall was primarily driven by the relocation of the US auto industry to southern, right-to-work states, where auto producers, including foreign firms who build autos here, have avoided the union conflict that was endemic in Detroit. San Francisco’s decline is driven by absurdly bad local economic policies. That's not what drove San Francisco's primarily. No mention of home prices? cost of living? or the pandemic?
iancmceachern 4y ago
Exactly, the cities and time periods they are comparing this to weren't during a pandemic
Finnucane 4y ago
Yes, in 2020 a lot of people who could afford to left urban centers and moved further away. A lot of them have since returned.
- strawhatguy 4y ago
  Some might have, I don’t think it’s a lot
friedman23 4y ago
San Francisco is not the only major city that suffered a pandemic. Why did people decide to leave San Francisco at much higher rates than any other major city? The pandemic is what catalyzed the event by giving people the ability to move. But ultimately the reason they moved was because San Francisco was worse than other options.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Does SF have tech workers at a higher rate than any other city?
- potatochup 4y ago
  And that if you live in SF, almost any other place in the USA is a cost of living decrease.

mattnewton 4y ago

Because the poster has an agenda and wants to blame San Francisco politics for everything. Were that San Francisco’s problems as easy as voters “voting differently” - the truth is that some of the problems San Francisco faces like homelessness and pandemic work pattern shifts are way above the pay grade of a metro mayor to combat, but they make convenient scapegoats.

strawhatguy 4y ago
It’s certainly the policies SF pursues that lead to crime/homelessness increases. While the state of CA tacks on a few more that’s harder for a mayor and council to overcome, still no excuse not to correct what they can. The various vetoes different groups get on what someone can build on their own land is a good example a thing to get rid of. Assuming there’s any developers left at this point not friends with the gov there.
- culi 4y ago
  > There was a 3.5% decrease in the total homeless population from 2019 – 2022. https://sfgov.org/scorecards/safety-net/homeless-population https://sfgov.org/scorecards/safety-net/homeless-population > Compared with other major U.S. cities, S.F. boasts lower-than-average rates of violent crime https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/fixing-san-francisco-problems/crime https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/fixing-san-francis...
  - strawhatguy 4y ago
    I think property prices actually dropped as more people left SF during the pandemic timeframe, so it doesn’t appear to contradict the point: cheaper housing leads to less homelessness, and sf gov is mostly still in the way from that happening.
rising-sky 4y ago
Exactly started reading with an open mind, but hard to get past the first two paragraphs > which lost 6.3 percent of its population between 2019 and 2021, a rate of decline larger than any two year-period in Detroit’s history This is not an apples to apples comparison? > Detroit’s fall was primarily driven by the relocation of the US auto industry to southern, right-to-work states, where auto producers, including foreign firms who build autos here, have avoided the union conflict that was endemic in Detroit. San Francisco’s decline is driven by absurdly bad local economic policies. That's not what drove San Francisco's primarily. No mention of home prices? cost of living? or the pandemic?

iancmceachern 4y ago

Exactly, the cities and time periods they are comparing this to weren't during a pandemic

Finnucane 4y ago

Yes, in 2020 a lot of people who could afford to left urban centers and moved further away. A lot of them have since returned.

strawhatguy 4y ago
Some might have, I don’t think it’s a lot

friedman23 4y ago

San Francisco is not the only major city that suffered a pandemic. Why did people decide to leave San Francisco at much higher rates than any other major city? The pandemic is what catalyzed the event by giving people the ability to move. But ultimately the reason they moved was because San Francisco was worse than other options.

kube-system 4y ago
Does SF have tech workers at a higher rate than any other city?
potatochup 4y ago
And that if you live in SF, almost any other place in the USA is a cost of living decrease.